Do you like Indiana's voter ID laws and would you support them being used as a model federally? Id bet you'd be shocked to hear that most Democrats do as well. However, the "Save" act isn't anything like the common sense ID laws that Indiana has in place. Why?@goat it has everything to do with it. If all states were like Indiana, it wouldn't be issue. However, there are 14 states and DC that don't even require a photo ID, so it is an issue. Of course all those states are blue or lean left.
gas is too expensive for all this lighting.https://twitter.com/therabbithole/status/2032669021024432177?s=61&t=1KiTJ7EYgX-uQgf4Wkb9sg
Do you like Indiana's voter ID laws and would you support them being used as a model federally? Id bet you'd be shocked to hear that most Democrats do as well. However, the "Save" act isn't anything like the common sense ID laws that Indiana has in place. Why?@goat it has everything to do with it. If all states were like Indiana, it wouldn't be issue. However, there are 14 states and DC that don't even require a photo ID, so it is an issue. Of course all those states are blue or lean left.
Every state could have passed Indiana's laws years go and still can today. Why haven't they then?
You don't haven't answer. The Save Act isn't passing and Democrats don't want stricter laws because their main objective isn't ensuring the most trust in election outcomes. There main objective is making it as easy possible to vote because they think it gives them the best chance to win.
gas is too expensive for all this lighting.https://twitter.com/therabbithole/status/2032669021024432177?s=61&t=1KiTJ7EYgX-uQgf4Wkb9sg
Care to elaborate on any inaccuracy in that graphic?
I would be more supportive using the real Id IF people at polling places had something like airports have to determine if it's a fake or not. I am just guessing but I'll bet you could find a place to get fake Real ID cards but they wouldn't stand up under close scrutiny. However, most poll workers I've seen just give it a glance.Florida requires photo ID and I support that. But FL accepts a "real ID" Florida driver's license, and if you don't have a driver's license they have a list of acceptable alternatives. All states doing that would be a great plan.
There are 10 types of people in this world, those who know binary and those who don't.
Do you like Indiana's voter ID laws and would you support them being used as a model federally? Id bet you'd be shocked to hear that most Democrats do as well. However, the "Save" act isn't anything like the common sense ID laws that Indiana has in place. Why?@goat it has everything to do with it. If all states were like Indiana, it wouldn't be issue. However, there are 14 states and DC that don't even require a photo ID, so it is an issue. Of course all those states are blue or lean left.
Every state could have passed Indiana's laws years go and still can today. Why haven't they then?
You don't haven't answer. The Save Act isn't passing and Democrats don't want stricter laws because their main objective isn't ensuring the most trust in election outcomes. There main objective is making it as easy possible to vote because they think it gives them the best chance to win.
And Republicans know that making voting more of a challenge benefits them. It's a simple numbers game, neither team has any noble intentions here.
The GOP knows their voting base is older and more established, as far as their voting registration and voting consistency. While Dem voters trend younger and are more transient, and have more fickle turnout. Good luck registering to vote if you're a college student, for example... Not many college students carry their birth certificate off to campus with them, for example....
If that's a good or bad thing is most surely based upon your political persuasion.
Two things
First, a good fraud is not detected. With every government benefit system subject to fraud of varying degrees, that we know about, you can never convince me there is no fraud in our election system.
Second, any important system should have reasonable safeguards to protect from abuse, whether or not we actually know of abuse.
We should not be Federalizing elections, full stop.
That horse left the barn.
https://www.eac.gov/about/help_america_vote_act.aspx
There was someone @all4you maybe..... That said if the SAVE act passed he would be done voting as he had no way to prove his legal name or something due to an adoption and poor records.
You are begging the question. Tell us why your view is better than mine. So far all you’ve said is kids have trouble doing adult things. That doesn’t cut it.
You are begging the question. Tell us why your view is better than mine. So far all you’ve said is kids have trouble doing adult things. That doesn’t cut it.
I don't know what your view is, so couldn't answer that.
I support the voter ID law that exists in Indiana. If I lived in another state I would support something similar. I don't believe it is a Federal role. And the legislation is going nowhere.... Just like Pelosi's in 2021. So it's a pretty moot point.
Finally, it has nothing to do with my post above re: college student example.... That it just a simple observation of reality/use of common sense... and why one team might be for/ against. Didn't argue if it was good or bad. But physically taking a birth certificate around with you as you hop around in life as a young person, is just not commonly done. I certainly wouldn't have bothered to go stand in line somewhere with it every time I moved (which was damn near every year for a decade).
I guess I'd be interested in knowing what percentage of people even have their birth certificate.... I see that about 45-50% of the population has an active passport.
I'd like to know that too. If they don't have one I would guess most could get one. When I got my first passport I had to get mine. When I started working they accepted a hospital record (which I thought was a birth certificate at the time because I had never seen one).I guess I'd be interested in knowing what percentage of people even have their birth certificate.... I see that about 45-50% of the population has an active passport.
Another point you made about neither side having noble intentions is spot on. However, in my case, I'd rather err on the safe side and have a great confidence that no fraud occured. It may cause some people some trouble to be sure they are a legal voter but you can't even check into some hotels without a legal ID (maybe you can.... I've never tried).
There are 10 types of people in this world, those who know binary and those who don't.
Do you like Indiana's voter ID laws and would you support them being used as a model federally? Id bet you'd be shocked to hear that most Democrats do as well. However, the "Save" act isn't anything like the common sense ID laws that Indiana has in place. Why?@goat it has everything to do with it. If all states were like Indiana, it wouldn't be issue. However, there are 14 states and DC that don't even require a photo ID, so it is an issue. Of course all those states are blue or lean left.
Every state could have passed Indiana's laws years go and still can today. Why haven't they then?
You don't haven't answer. The Save Act isn't passing and Democrats don't want stricter laws because their main objective isn't ensuring the most trust in election outcomes. There main objective is making it as easy possible to vote because they think it gives them the best chance to win.
And Republicans know that making voting more of a challenge benefits them. It's a simple numbers game, neither team has any noble intentions here.
The GOP knows their voting base is older and more established, as far as their voting registration and voting consistency. While Dem voters trend younger and are more transient, and have more fickle turnout. Good luck registering to vote if you're a college student, for example... Not many college students carry their birth certificate off to campus with them, for example....
If that's a good or bad thing is most surely based upon your political persuasion.
I don't think it's difficult to vote in Indiana and think their main objective is voter integrity, not voter suppression. What part of it is hard? I also don't consider bringing a birth certificate to vote difficult either.
I'd be willing to bet within an election or two the numbers would be the exact same on voter turnout as they are now. People who want to vote would figure it out. The 40- 45% who don't vote now would continue to bot vote. And you would get the added benefit of responding to all election deniers that we added measures to make sure elections were not rigged.
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