I invite everyone to use your favorite AI and ask it for a list of NJ DEI projects or policies that were pushed just in 2025, since @ohio-guy thinks that's one of his best examples of Dems giving up on DEI initiatives. I'd post it here, but it usually breaks the thread.
Suffice it to say, NJ isn't a very good example. Neither is Chicago or Illinois. Or California who continues to defend its previously enacted policies. Or, evidently, Virginia, as previously posted.
Don't buy the woke gaslighting. We saw it before, and apparently, they are recycling this disingenuous strategy ("It isn't in schools").
If you want to try and prove me wrong, try showing where Democrats are wining elections making DEI a central focus of their campaigns. Try and counter what I actually said.
There are outliers - but for the most part DEI initiatives aren’t winning elections in 2026 in most of the country.
They’re hoping for enough dupes to fall for a bait & switch. The Democrats have been showing us who they are for years & aren’t gonna change their agenda, they’re just gonna change what their message is. Can you not see that this is all about the message, but where is the part where they denounce open borders, encourage deporting illegals, continuing rollbacks of DEI? You think because they’re not gonna talk about it they’re not going to resume the agendas of 2024? You can’t be that gullible, can you?
@oneeyedundertaker This is spot on. They've lost that trust. Absolutely a bait and switch.
I’m no fan of Elizabeth Warren, but she’s spot on here. The cultural issues shouldn’t - - and won’t - be a part of the Democratic platform in 2026.
LOL no she's not. She just wants to kick the dirty laundry under the bed and stuff it in the closet until after the 2026 midterms are over, then it's back to business as usual and a repeat of the 2019/2020 obstruction and impeachment marathon.
A good friend will bail you out of jail, but your best friend will be sitting next to you in the cell saying "that was f***ing awesome"
Forgive me for being skeptical that you’re involved in national level Democrat Party strategy sessions.
I never claimed that was the case. Paring down DEI initiatives has impacted a lot of the work and partnerships that are part of my job and I know what the consensus is among colleagues and experts in that particular field.
A lot of major decisions were made based on various policies and/or policies that were sunsetted.
Your performance in this thread, while admirable, is a great example of how the Repubs have already won. DEI is still part of the Democratic agenda. But reasonable DEI, as most DEI always has been. But the GOP has succeeded in turning the very label DEI into a dirty word, to the point that you have to deny the left even wants it, and at that point, you've already lost the argument.
The truth is, DEI done right is fine, and the reasonable Dems still recognize that.
@goat It's a teeter totter on culture issues. The left goes rabid and injects trannies into kids' sports and declares war on the meritocracy with forced DEI hires, loses, and the right pushes back too hard and too far to retaliate. So the benefit of things like that, where there is benefit, is lost. Pick any culture issue. It's all the same trend.
@goat It's a teeter totter on culture issues. The left goes rabid and injects trannies into kids' sports and declares war on the meritocracy with forced DEI hires, loses, and the right pushes back too hard and too far to retaliate. So the benefit of things like that, where there is benefit, is lost. Pick any culture issue. It's all the same trend.
It's really a matter of framing. One of the most successful DEI initiatives - and one which was untouched by the current crackdown on DEI - is workplace training. Programs which are set up to provide people the opportunity to improve skills and education while working. It's DEI in intent and implementation: the vast majority of people who take advantage of it are women, immigrants, and minorities. But it's never been DEI in name or structure, because it's open to everyone. If you're a fat white guy, you can still sign up. It's just that you probably won't. And despite the fact that white guys don't really take advantage, it's still tremendously popular, probably because it is, by design, open to everyone, and not a set-aside just for minorities.
This is DEI done right. It's not discriminatory, but it does absolutely help the disadvantaged classes, as intended.
Standing up and screaming about the rights of trans students to play girls sports is a distraction that only gives the right what they want: a bogeyman to get people scared of. If the left focused on workplace training and backed off trans sports participation, they'd get more support.
Point is: DEI is an admirable goal and a winner done the right way. The GOP is very good at reframing things so that the Dems feel the need to defend the indefensible, or, as @ohio-guy is doing in this thread, run away from what is actually very defensible.
Ah, moving the goal posts and falling back on the old "if they don't run on it, you've got nothing to worry about!" trick.I invite everyone to use your favorite AI and ask it for a list of NJ DEI projects or policies that were pushed just in 2025, since @ohio-guy thinks that's one of his best examples of Dems giving up on DEI initiatives. I'd post it here, but it usually breaks the thread.
Suffice it to say, NJ isn't a very good example. Neither is Chicago or Illinois. Or California who continues to defend its previously enacted policies. Or, evidently, Virginia, as previously posted.
Don't buy the woke gaslighting. We saw it before, and apparently, they are recycling this disingenuous strategy ("It isn't in schools").
If you want to try and prove me wrong, try showing where Democrats are wining elections making DEI a central focus of their campaigns. Try and counter what I actually said.
There are outliers - but for the most part DEI initiatives aren’t winning elections in 2026 in most of the country.
Sorry, not falling for it. Your message is loud and clear: Dems have given up on race based equity programs so there's no reason to worry about that anymore. You're wrong, and you know it.
Point is: DEI is an admirable goal and a winner done the right way. The GOP is very good at reframing things so that the Dems feel the need to defend the indefensible,
I agree with your contribution and I'm very familiar with workplace training programs/GED, etc and totally agree. The quibble I have is not that Pubs are good at reframing but rather the Dems are terrible at presentation. We have it now in NYC declaring property rights evidence of white supremacy, the mayor of Chicago with "My People" on and on. I posit that on the lion's share of cultural issues it's the Dems' fault and the right has largely been simply reactionary. Now they've overreached in certain instances but the first shot comes from the woke left.
If it's never been DEI in name or structure, then it's not what we are complaining about. I think you're stretching too much. OhioGuy even made the argument that race-based equity programs aren't even being done anymore/pushed anymore. He's lying--and that's not admirable.But it's never been DEI in name or structure, because it's open to everyone.
Now, you want to defend it? Cool. Let's have that discussion. You want to argue that it needs to be done to counter too reactionary a swing from the current fed admin. OK. But I am sick and tired of the lying and the gaslighting and the redefining and the moving of the goalposts. It's indicative of bad faith and intellectual dishonesty.
The quibble I have is not that Pubs are good at reframing but rather the Dems are terrible at presentation.
Potato, potato. You're not wrong. Dems are terrible at messaging.
If it's never been DEI in name or structure, then it's not what we are complaining about. I think you're stretching too much. OhioGuy even made the argument that race-based equity programs aren't even being done anymore/pushed anymore. He's lying--and that's not admirable.But it's never been DEI in name or structure, because it's open to everyone.
Now, you want to defend it? Cool. Let's have that discussion. You want to argue that it needs to be done to counter too reactionary a swing from the current fed admin. OK. But I am sick and tired of the lying and the gaslighting and the redefining and the moving of the goalposts. It's indicative of bad faith and intellectual dishonesty.
My point is I think ohio guy is falling into the trap of denying something exists because the label has been given such negative connotations that he can't possibly argue otherwise and sound reasonable.
@goat I think he's just being disingenuous or like that Mr. Highlife just completely clueless. Not sure what is more alarming.
My point is I think ohio guy is falling into the trap of denying something exists because the label has been given such negative connotations that he can't possibly argue otherwise and sound reasonable.
I think there is a lot of truth to your point about bad messaging and I think you’re right about a good bit of what I’m commenting on.
That said, there are countless universities and colleges that cut their DEI offices and fired their DEI staffs. Scholarships were discontinued or redefined. There are companies and organizations that scaled their DEI measures way back and most certainly stopped lifting it up or highlighting it publicly as they once did. Of course there are remnants of it, but for all intents and purposes DEI is dead in a lot of places.
And the calvary isn’t coming by way of politicians promising to build back or reaffirm those diversity programs. I primarily know the agendas of Ohio politicians but I’ve talked to people around the country on this stuff. I’d suspect some lawmakers/potential lawmakers would like to make it a part of their campaign strategies, but no one really is. It’s not a hill to die on politically right now.
A good amount of what DEI offices used to be is literally now illegal in a lot of states in this country. I don’t see anyone campaigning on turning that tide and making it important again. It’s a shame because as you said there was a lot of worthwhile initiatives lumped in with the ominous meaning DEI had thrust upon it.
He's lying--and that's not admirable.
Ordinary I’d ignore such bullshit, but I take issue with being called a liar about something I know and have seen first hand. I’m not really interested in explaining myself to you. Race-based DEI initiatives are mostly dead in this country and in some places like Ohio can be illegal. At least in the near future, no lawmakers are campaigning to bring it back to the national level it once was.
Then explain to me how AOC is the voice of the party? Explain to me how NYC elects a radical socialist? Is that not the mothership of Dems? Are they not both ultra woke? Here’s what is “spot on.” If the party wasn’t ultra woke it would look radically different than it does. Biden would not have implemented ultra woke policies. Your woke policies still wouldn’t be pushed.
The strangest thing in all of this is Dems desperately pretending not to be woke when everything they support is ultra woke. Why not just own it? Is it embarrassing to admit?
NY elected the guy they did because the other candidate resigned as governor due to sexual allegations the state.
Run a competent candidate against the dude and this might not have happened.
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