@mrhighlife do you understand 92 percent comes from city funding? in a 5 billion dollar budget they defunded 1 billion. and you're trying but look the gop provides 3 percent and now might provide 2 percent of federal funding as a "the gop is worse." good grief. you haven't a clue about public administration
@mrhighlife if the left cut one billion of a five billion dollar budget and the right cuts a few million you still want to play "the both sides are doing" it game?
what's crazy is that neither one of us and the majority of "Republicans" and "Democrats" don't agree with defunding law enforcement. Quite the contrary. We may disagree on how funding is used but not cut. But here we are. Both sides "leaders" have done exactly that. Then they point fingers at each other and we argue.I don't think pointing out that both sides have cut law enforcement funding in the past few years is being tribalistic. But ok.@mrhighlife nah just over stupid people. we lost crazed and many other posters that were worth reading and are left with the tribalists who couldn't pass a 5th grade civics course. enjoy
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@mrhighlife no lmao. that's inane. you're trying to say ohhhhhhhhh both sides are bad. only one wanted to defund cops in any meaningful way and it was the left. and it happened in large cities all over america. STOP condoning the shit from the progressive left. YOU are the problem. posts like you just made are the problem.
it was 500 million for grants to local law enforcement. And a 29% cut to the ATF which would be close to another 500 million@mrhighlife if the left cut one billion of a five billion dollar budget and the right cuts a few million you still want to play "the both sides are doing" it game?
@mrhighlife that’s juvenile services commubity outreach all sorts of grants. The combined budget of pds is about 250 billion. You’re still trying.
Well I live in Indiana and don't really care what some random city, not in Indiana, did with their funding. Not my call. No Democrat that I have ever voted for defunded any police agencies. Only one that I voted for vaguely called for it, then ended up helping increase funding for grants. All the Democrats that I prefer on a national level currently didn't either.@mrhighlife that’s juvenile services commubity outreach all sorts of grants. The combined budget of pds is about 250 billion. You’re still trying.
Trump did cut funding. Maybe not as much as some random mayor. But the funding Trump cut does actually effect my area. As it cover the whole country. I didn't vote for Trump.
@mrhighlife those random mayors are the frontlines. Where the people live and the cops protect them. Policing is local. Funding is primarily local. Progressive policies have consequences. Harris calling cops murderers has consequences. Harris supporting la cutting funding has consequences. Locals become emboldened.
I'm not giving anyone a pass.@mrhighlife those random mayors are the frontlines. Where the people live and the cops protect them. Policing is local. Funding is primarily local. Progressive policies have consequences. Harris calling cops murderers has consequences. Harris supporting la cutting funding has consequences. Locals become emboldened.
And you elected a guy that allowed children to be sex trafficked for 4 years with an open border policy.
I've never seen those numbers. Could you post them? If I see them, I won't deny they exist, unlike the gaslighting being done about the Defund the Police movement. I might differentiate them and provide some context, though, and then compare and contrast how the different policies might affect crime in various areas.would it also be gaslighting to not mention that the GOP is as guilty, if not more guilty, of cutting law enforcement funding?Um, that's defunding the police. Don't gaslight about it. Admit it, and then argue for why it is better to reroute those funds to other things.@mcm666 As for the defunding the police, many of those cities allocated their funds differently rather than just cutting, such as putting more money to mental health funds. Some cities cut budgets.
That's what an honest discussion of something looks like--agreeing to objective facts and then discussing/debating them. Gaslighting that certain facts don't exist or never occurred--that Democrats didn't back the Defund the Police movement in cities across the nation after George Floyd; that anti-racism, the 1619 project, and intersectional and anti-science trans insanity weren't being taught in public schools across the nation; that there is no such thing as woke; that Joe Biden really was all there and as sharp as ever--short circuits good-faith debate on the merits of policies or positions and is therefore illiberal, anti-democratic, and anti-reason.
And yes, Republicans and MAGA and Trump do it, too. And I've argued with them about that. But that doesn't excuse the Dems or anyone here.
what's crazy is that neither one of us and the majority of "Republicans" and "Democrats" don't agree with defunding law enforcement. Quite the contrary. We may disagree on how funding is used but not cut. But here we are. Both sides "leaders" have done exactly that. Then they point fingers at each other and we argue.I don't think pointing out that both sides have cut law enforcement funding in the past few years is being tribalistic. But ok.@mrhighlife nah just over stupid people. we lost crazed and many other posters that were worth reading and are left with the tribalists who couldn't pass a 5th grade civics course. enjoy
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@mcm666 speaking of mayors
https://twitter.com/thomassowell/status/1964347860524421589?s=46
We're doomed, buddy. Thankfully, we have beautiful Bitcoin.
Well I live in Indiana and don’t really care what some random city, not in Indiana, did with their funding. Not my call. No Democrat that I have ever voted for defunded any police agencies. Only one that I voted for vaguely called for it, then ended up helping increase funding for grants. All the Democrats that I prefer on a national level currently didn’t either.
Defunding is part of the problem, the rest of the story is the statutory and administrative burdens democrats in state and local government have imposed on law enforcement concerning such things as surveillance, arrests, Terry stops, electronic face and license plate recognition and more. The excuse for these restrictions is usually expressed as some kind of racial justice, but since most of the crime is centered in minority communities, the burdens are , well, burdensome. The Colorado legislature even increased the liability burden cops must bear.
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Um . . . .no.
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