@squeakyclean That's a good point. I don't see anyone here defending Biden or how he handled (badly) the southern border. And the argument that most Biden voters were for open borders is unsupported by any credible evidence.@shooter Oh no no I’m telling you what Dems voted for.
You know, you keep saying that, but is it possible that there are many Dems that didn't "vote for that". Biden isn't exactly the most popular president, even amongst the Democrats. They thought they were getting Obama 2.0 and Biden was not even Obama 0.5.
The Democrats were sold a bill of goods that turned out to be far below expectations.
Just like there are some of Trump's policies that you cringe at (cough cough tarrifs), there is middle ground here where Democrats can be against "open borders" and still "voted for that" not knowing it was going to be as bad as it was.
Hindsight and 20/20 whatnot.
Biden was Obama's VP. There was a spike in border crossings in 2014, mainly with unaccompanied minors, but border crossings were relatively low during the Obama administration. In fact, in the early '10s, border crossings were at low levels not seen since the 1970s.
Obama was dubbed, by critics on the left , "Deporter-in-Chief." He ramped up deportations (deporting more than any other US president) but without sending thousands of agents into a US city for occupation-style enforcement.
@squeakyclean That's a good point. I don't see anyone here defending Biden or how he handled (badly) the southern border. And the argument that most Biden voters were for open borders is unsupported by any credible evidence.@shooter Oh no no I’m telling you what Dems voted for.
You know, you keep saying that, but is it possible that there are many Dems that didn't "vote for that". Biden isn't exactly the most popular president, even amongst the Democrats. They thought they were getting Obama 2.0 and Biden was not even Obama 0.5.
The Democrats were sold a bill of goods that turned out to be far below expectations.
Just like there are some of Trump's policies that you cringe at (cough cough tarrifs), there is middle ground here where Democrats can be against "open borders" and still "voted for that" not knowing it was going to be as bad as it was.
Hindsight and 20/20 whatnot.
Biden was Obama's VP. There was a spike in border crossings in 2014, mainly with unaccompanied minors, but border crossings were relatively low during the Obama administration. In fact, in the early '10s, border crossings were at low levels not seen since the 1970s.
Obama was dubbed, by critics on the left , "Deporter-in-Chief." He ramped up deportations (deporting more than any other US president) but without sending thousands of agents into a US city for occupation-style enforcement.
This has been explained already but clearly not well enough to get through your thick skull. Obama counted border turn aways as deportations. Historically, people turned away at the border were classified as "returns," which did not carry the same legal penalties as a "removal" (a formal, legal order of deportation). The Obama administration changed this, increasingly classifying these border turn-aways as formal removals.
And you bought it. Hook, line and sinker.
As there is no longer anyone attempting to illegally cross the border. The only deportations possible are removals from the interior, clown.
As there is no longer anyone attempting to illegally cross the border. The only deportations possible are removals from the interior, clown.
As a quick point of order, the amount of illegal crossings is way down, but it is not zero.
@squeakyclean That's a good point. I don't see anyone here defending Biden or how he handled (badly) the southern border. And the argument that most Biden voters were for open borders is unsupported by any credible evidence.@shooter Oh no no I’m telling you what Dems voted for.
You know, you keep saying that, but is it possible that there are many Dems that didn't "vote for that". Biden isn't exactly the most popular president, even amongst the Democrats. They thought they were getting Obama 2.0 and Biden was not even Obama 0.5.
The Democrats were sold a bill of goods that turned out to be far below expectations.
Just like there are some of Trump's policies that you cringe at (cough cough tarrifs), there is middle ground here where Democrats can be against "open borders" and still "voted for that" not knowing it was going to be as bad as it was.
Hindsight and 20/20 whatnot.
Biden was Obama's VP. There was a spike in border crossings in 2014, mainly with unaccompanied minors, but border crossings were relatively low during the Obama administration. In fact, in the early '10s, border crossings were at low levels not seen since the 1970s.
Obama was dubbed, by critics on the left , "Deporter-in-Chief." He ramped up deportations (deporting more than any other US president) but without sending thousands of agents into a US city for occupation-style enforcement.
This has been explained already but clearly not well enough to get through your thick skull. Obama counted border turn aways as deportations. Historically, people turned away at the border were classified as "returns," which did not carry the same legal penalties as a "removal" (a formal, legal order of deportation). The Obama administration changed this, increasingly classifying these border turn-aways as formal removals.
And you bought it. Hook, line and sinker.
As there is no longer anyone attempting to illegally cross the border. The only deportations possible are removals from the interior, clown.
yea. literally no one is trying to cross the border now that Hitler...err Trump is charge....yea ok bozo. amazing what they get you to believe.
@hurryinghoosiers you argue about the semantics of "no one" because the larger point re: Obama/ deportations you leftists have been making is bunk.
This has been explained already but clearly not well enough to get through your thick skull. Obama counted border turn aways as deportations. Historically, people turned away at the border were classified as "returns," which did not carry the same legal penalties as a "removal" (a formal, legal order of deportation). The Obama administration changed this, increasingly classifying these border turn-aways as formal removals.
And you bought it. Hook, line and sinker.
As there is no longer anyone attempting to illegally cross the border. The only deportations possible are removals from the interior, clown.
That was an important SUBSTANTIVE change because removals have much harsher, longer-lasting legal consequences than returns.
Guess who said this: "President Obama has moved millions of people out. Nobody knows about it. Nobody talks about it. But under Obama, millions of people have been moved out of this country. They've been deported!"
And Obama's deportations included HUGE numbers from the interior. A key difference is he didn't have thousands of agents occupying any US city.
Finally, why are you always so angry? Jeez, dude, find a healthy outlet or something. I've already told you that you should probably stop reading my posts because they're an apparent trigger for you.
@shooter No one is wrong more often than you. It's literally become a phrase. And you're wrong here yet again. And how about an ounce of common sense. Do you really believe Democrat politicians have suddenly changed their minds? Their ideology? Absurd as you.
https://cis.org/Map-Sanctuary-Cities-Counties-and-States
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2026/01/31/trump-democrats-ice-abolish-midterms/
Mayor Mamdani says he supports abolishing ICE, calls for ...
@squeakyclean And if they hadn’t elected Mamdani in the locus of the party, had booted AOC from front and center, don’t have Pritzker, Newsom, etc running the show I would agree with you. Clinton wasn’t this way, neither was Obama.
Opening the border was at the behest of Progressives. Those same people are in charge today.
@hurryinghoosiers There’s no content. You didn’t address anything cited. Bc you have nothing.
@hurryinghoosiers You tried to get cute and you almost made an actual response. I’ll include @ohio-guy who can’t learn either.
Will you two ever learn?
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/mar/07/us-cities-defund-police-transferring-money-community
If you cut the police budget, remove officers, you are defunding police.
Why do you two and shooter work so hard to pretend Dem policies don’t exist? That opening the border didn’t happen. That defund didn’t happen ? If you’re so embarrassed by the policies of your party change.
Sure, ICE ought to be abolished, if it steadfastly refuses to fulfill its stated reason to exist. If it were to return to its mission and tactics it adhered to under both GWB and Obama, then ICE would be loved by almost all. But it was morphed into an ill-trained, undisciplined, lawless, ego-driven secret political police force manned by fatasses who ought to go back to their bass boats and filling their gullets with Murt at Golden Corral.
"You can't make someone listen to reason if they aren't willing to think"-- Ray Bradbury, Fahrenheit 451
From 2016, sure. That's it. I have previously posted a recent pic on here, with my face blotted out.
"You can't make someone listen to reason if they aren't willing to think"-- Ray Bradbury, Fahrenheit 451
@shooter Polls aren’t policy moron.
Didn't say they were, dumbfuck. Just that polls show what you asserted to be true is completely false. You voted for tariffs. How stupid is that?
"You can't make someone listen to reason if they aren't willing to think"-- Ray Bradbury, Fahrenheit 451