@carramrod Carville is still pretty sharp and still plugged in more or less. If the Democrats would have followed his advice, there would be a Democratic president right now. He says outlandish stuff that gets a laugh all the time, but he’s a sharp political mind. You’d enjoy hearing him talk. Anyone who follows politics would.
And for what it’s worth, I like going to hear a lot of people speak. I can’t remember the last person I paid to see. A perk of living in a college town.
@ohio-guy It’s going to be a straight white man this time.
I tend to agree. Personally, I think it'll be someone from the Beshear/Shapiro/Polis, etc governor group. He's awfully young and relatively inexperienced so maybe it's not this cycle, but I think James Talarico is gaining traction to be considered eventually. Whoever the Democratic nominee is, they'd do well to borrow from the Talarico playbook.
@ohio-guy not a chance. There’d have to be a cataclysmic change to nyc Chicago California AOC the media soros hollywood Palestine
@ohio-guy not a chance. There’d have to be a cataclysmic change to nyc Chicago California AOC the media soros hollywood Palestine
I guess we'll find out soon enough. The traction James Talarico is getting is interesting. I'd guess he's not ready for primetime just yet, but he's not what anyone would consider a radical leftist by any stretch and he's just getting more and more attention. If he can win the Senate seat he's currently running for in Texas (big if), I think that'll be a bellwether even in Democratic politics.
@carramrod Carville is still pretty sharp and still plugged in more or less. If the Democrats would have followed his advice, there would be a Democratic president right now. He says outlandish stuff that gets a laugh all the time, but he’s a sharp political mind. You’d enjoy hearing him talk. Anyone who follows politics would.
And for what it’s worth, I like going to hear a lot of people speak. I can’t remember the last person I paid to see. A perk of living in a college town.
Ive seen him speak. There’s no insight there anymore if there ever even was.
We’re not going to agree on this.
We’re not going to agree on this.
Sounds like it.
I know you said you weren't born yet when Clinton won his first term. That was pretty much my first introduction to politics as it was the first political campaign I volunteered for and the first one I could vote in. Carville was probably one of the best political strategists in the business at that time. In my opinion, he still knows how to pick a winner and knows what it takes to win an election.
@ohio-guy It’s going to be a straight white man this time.
I tend to agree. Personally, I think it'll be someone from the Beshear/Shapiro/Polis, etc governor group. He's awfully young and relatively inexperienced so maybe it's not this cycle, but I think James Talarico is gaining traction to be considered eventually. Whoever the Democratic nominee is, they'd do well to borrow from the Talarico playbook.
Listened to part of Talarico on Rogan.
Classic example of confusing being moderate in effect with moderate in what one actually believes
And it’s a symptom of our sickness as a society that these strategists are more heralded than the people who might be interested in actual grunt work or policy research or ideas. People care more about “winning” than who might have the correct solutions to the problems we face.
We’re not going to agree on this.
Sounds like it.
I know you said you weren't born yet when Clinton won his first term. That was pretty much my first introduction to politics as it was the first political campaign I volunteered for and the first one I could vote in. Carville was probably one of the best political strategists in the business at that time. In my opinion, he still knows how to pick a winner and knows what it takes to win an election.
People care more about “winning” than who might have the correct solutions to the problems we face.
I get why you might say that, but that’s not what I was saying. Carville kind of addressed your point in his talk. He said you could have the best policy ideas known to man but if you run a lousy campaign and lose it won’t matter. He always saw it as his job to get the people whose ideas and policies he believed in over the finish line. He was unapologetic about learning how to be really good at that, even though it took him awhile to get it.
So he rationalized his professional career? Shocking.People care more about “winning” than who might have the correct solutions to the problems we face.
I get why you might say that, but that’s not what I was saying. Carville kind of addressed your point in his talk. He said you could have the best policy ideas known to man but if you run a lousy campaign and lose it won’t matter. He always saw it as his job to get the people whose ideas and policies he believed in over the finish line. He was unapologetic about learning how to be really good at that, even though it took him awhile to get it.
The point is, our news coverage is about the horserace more than deep dives into the issues. Has been for decades. It's why we have all this polling, advisors, etc. Talk about "what plays." How will this message affect the latino/black/soccer moms/suburbanites/gun owners/etc.
It's why democracy is a joke/myth. News orgs. do this because it sells--its what the public (i.e. voters) want to hear. My guess is because it's more sportslike, plays into tribal urges, and because it can be more certain than nuanced, complicated problems and potential solutions that few people have any experience with, anyway.
@bradstevens those are all valid points - I think I agree with you about the state of things. The other point Carville made was that he actually did - and does - believe in the candidates he worked for. He felt that getting them across the finish line was his way of making sure policies and politics he believed in were furthered/enacted.
To your point though, he absolutely saw campaigns as zero sum. He said there’s no consolation prize for second place and ideology can die with a losing campaign.
@unclemark shit Jewish Shapiro doesn’t have a snowball’s chance in hell. He might as well go hang a shingle at this point
He's a radical as well. He would certainly govern like one. You're have to be radical and submit to the woke mob to exist as a Democrat.
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