"In interviews with CNN about the department’s voter data quest, GOP election officials expressed concerns about the administration’s approach even though they’re aligned with the president on other matters of election security. They said the requests conflicted with state laws prohibiting the disclosure of sensitive voter information. They questioned the reasons the administration was seeking the data. And they bristled at the idea of the federal government — rather than state or local officials — leading the task of removing ineligible voters from the rolls.
The answer to your question is obvious: They will find, if given what they want, some dead people still on the rolls or who are registered in another state. Then, when the election doesn't go their way, those findings will be the pretext for "federalizing" the election after the fact. The states need to hold their ground and refuse to cooperate lest the whole edifice that we know as federalism and free and fair elections is endangered.
Meanwhile, odds on anything happening to this guy?:
The answer to your question is obvious: They will find, if given what they want, some dead people still on the rolls or who are registered in another state. Then, when the election doesn't go their way, those findings will be the pretext for "federalizing" the election after the fact. The states need to hold their ground and refuse to cooperate lest the whole edifice that we know as federalism and free and fair elections is endangered.
Meanwhile, odds on anything happening to this guy?:
The same states that are proven to facilitate & protect fraud? Are we to believe that they’re to be trusted when it comes to election procedures after admitting that they’ve known that they’ve been committing fraud ant the expense of the rest of us for years? Gtfoh. Feds taking over elections is one thing, but Dems don’t want any oversight for obvious reasons, expansion of fraud.
This is why - Dem led states have already shown they are willing to disregard our laws as evidenced by lack of immigration enforcement. They’ve tried to remake the electorate, if that doesn’t work they’ll try something else…
Meanwhile, odds on anything happening to this guy?:
@unclemark The mayor who voted illegally? He said he voted for Trump three times, so they'll probably let him stay. He can seal the deal by publicly stating that Trump is the greatest president in American history.
Last week a federal judge in Michigan - - a Trump appointee - - threw out a case filed by the Trump Justice Department seeking personal voter information. Earlier this year judges in Oregon and California tossed similar cases. The courts clearly aren't looking kindly at these unprecedented demands for sensitive, private voter information.
The cases have been dismissed on a variety of grounds including violation of state and federal privacy laws.
Last week a federal judge in Michigan - - a Trump appointee - - threw out a case filed by the Trump Justice Department seeking personal voter information. Earlier this year judges in Oregon and California tossed similar cases. The courts clearly aren't looking kindly at these unprecedented demands for sensitive, private voter information.
The cases have been dismissed on a variety of grounds including violation of state and federal privacy laws.
What is the sensitive voter info they are requesting?
This is why - Dem led states have already shown they are willing to disregard our laws as evidenced by lack of immigration enforcement. They’ve tried to remake the electorate, if that doesn’t work they’ll try something else…
The claims in the post you referenced are part of a broader series of allegations made by Elon Musk and members of the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) throughout 2024 and 2025.
Based on independent investigations, state election audits, and fact-checking reports, here is the validity of those specific claims:
1. The "Dog Registered to Vote" Claim
Status: Unsubstantiated / Misleading
The Claim: Musk and others have occasionally posted images of voter registration cards sent to pets or deceased individuals as "proof" of a fraudulent system.
The Reality: Election officials have explained that these incidents almost always involve third-party voter registration groups using outdated mailing lists (like commercial marketing lists), not the official state voter rolls.
Verification: Receiving a mailing addressed to a pet is not the same as a pet being on the voter rolls. To actually register, a valid Social Security number or Driver’s License is required. There is no verified evidence of a dog successfully casting a ballot or being an "active voter" in any official state database.
2. California as a "Hotbed of Voter Fraud"
Status: False / Lack of Evidence
The Claim: Musk has frequently claimed that California’s lack of strict voter ID laws and its use of universal mail-in ballots make it a "hotbed" for fraud.
The Reality: Extensive audits by the California Secretary of State and independent groups (including the Associated Press and FactCheck.org) have consistently found that while administrative errors occur, widespread or "massive" fraud does not.
Security Measures: California uses signature verification for all mail-in ballots. Each ballot has a unique barcode tied to a specific registered voter. If the signature doesn't match the one on file, the ballot is challenged and not counted unless the voter "cures" it (proves their identity).
3. Claims about Non-Citizen Voting
Status: Highly Exaggerated
The Claim: DOGE members (specifically Antonio Gracias) claimed in early 2025 that they found "thousands" of non-citizens on voter rolls by cross-referencing Social Security data.
The Reality: When these lists have been scrutinized in the past (such as in Georgia or Texas), the vast majority of "matches" turned out to be naturalized citizens whose records hadn't been updated in one database but were legal voters.
Expert Consensus: While isolated cases of non-citizens mistakenly registering (often at the DMV) do occur, they represent a tiny fraction of 1% of the total vote—statistically insignificant and nowhere near the "millions" often cited in social media posts.
4. "Illegal to Show ID" in California/New York
Status: False
The Claim: A viral post by Musk claimed it is "illegal" to show your ID in California and New York.
The Reality: It is not illegal for a voter to show their ID. However, state law prohibits poll workers from requesting it as a requirement to vote (unless the person is a first-time voter who didn't provide ID during registration). This distinction is often misrepresented to suggest that identity is never verified, whereas signatures are the primary method of verification in these states.
Summary
The claims made in the post typically rely on anecdotal outliers (like a misaddressed mailer) and frame them as evidence of systemic fraud. While administrative errors exist in any system involving millions of people, there is no credible evidence to support the idea of a "rigged" system or widespread fraudulent voting by dogs or non-citizens in California.
This is why - Dem led states have already shown they are willing to disregard our laws as evidenced by lack of immigration enforcement. They’ve tried to remake the electorate, if that doesn’t work they’ll try something else…
The claims in the post you referenced are part of a broader series of allegations made by Elon Musk and members of the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) throughout 2024 and 2025.
Based on independent investigations, state election audits, and fact-checking reports, here is the validity of those specific claims:
1. The "Dog Registered to Vote" Claim
Status: Unsubstantiated / Misleading
The Claim: Musk and others have occasionally posted images of voter registration cards sent to pets or deceased individuals as "proof" of a fraudulent system.
The Reality: Election officials have explained that these incidents almost always involve third-party voter registration groups using outdated mailing lists (like commercial marketing lists), not the official state voter rolls.
Verification: Receiving a mailing addressed to a pet is not the same as a pet being on the voter rolls. To actually register, a valid Social Security number or Driver’s License is required. There is no verified evidence of a dog successfully casting a ballot or being an "active voter" in any official state database.
2. California as a "Hotbed of Voter Fraud"
Status: False / Lack of Evidence
The Claim: Musk has frequently claimed that California’s lack of strict voter ID laws and its use of universal mail-in ballots make it a "hotbed" for fraud.
The Reality: Extensive audits by the California Secretary of State and independent groups (including the Associated Press and FactCheck.org) have consistently found that while administrative errors occur, widespread or "massive" fraud does not.
Security Measures: California uses signature verification for all mail-in ballots. Each ballot has a unique barcode tied to a specific registered voter. If the signature doesn't match the one on file, the ballot is challenged and not counted unless the voter "cures" it (proves their identity).
3. Claims about Non-Citizen Voting
Status: Highly Exaggerated
The Claim: DOGE members (specifically Antonio Gracias) claimed in early 2025 that they found "thousands" of non-citizens on voter rolls by cross-referencing Social Security data.
The Reality: When these lists have been scrutinized in the past (such as in Georgia or Texas), the vast majority of "matches" turned out to be naturalized citizens whose records hadn't been updated in one database but were legal voters.
Expert Consensus: While isolated cases of non-citizens mistakenly registering (often at the DMV) do occur, they represent a tiny fraction of 1% of the total vote—statistically insignificant and nowhere near the "millions" often cited in social media posts.
4. "Illegal to Show ID" in California/New York
Status: False
The Claim: A viral post by Musk claimed it is "illegal" to show your ID in California and New York.
The Reality: It is not illegal for a voter to show their ID. However, state law prohibits poll workers from requesting it as a requirement to vote (unless the person is a first-time voter who didn't provide ID during registration). This distinction is often misrepresented to suggest that identity is never verified, whereas signatures are the primary method of verification in these states.
Summary
The claims made in the post typically rely on anecdotal outliers (like a misaddressed mailer) and frame them as evidence of systemic fraud. While administrative errors exist in any system involving millions of people, there is no credible evidence to support the idea of a "rigged" system or widespread fraudulent voting by dogs or non-citizens in California.
I see a lot of qualifiers such as “almost always”, “widespread”, “massive”, “outliers” etc. - in other words, acknowledging that it does happen. How big should we let it get before we eliminate any chance of fraud? If not every vote counts, will you agree to give yours up to offset these rare instances?
Bottom line is, Dem states have proven a willingness to cheat the American people, some oversight to prevent this is good for the security of our elections, people opposed to it are interested in preserving the possibility of fraud.
Bottom line is, Dem states have proven a willingness to cheat the American people,
Hate to break it to you, but 1) it is not "Dem" states. The percentages are pretty consistent across ALL states. and 2) The percentages are pretty even across both parties. You will get a quantity difference of 1000 illegal votes in California versus 100 illegal votes in Wyoming, but it is not going to change election results in any way, shape or form.
So if you go on this campaign of "voter ID or else" scorched earth policy, you are going to affect Republican states just as much. And frankly, going with the "you need to show your marriage license or passport if your name does not match your birth certificate" is going to hurt Republican women more than it is going to hurt Democrat women because Republican women are more likely to change their name when getting married.
This is why - Dem led states have already shown they are willing to disregard our laws as evidenced by lack of immigration enforcement. They’ve tried to remake the electorate, if that doesn’t work they’ll try something else…
The claims in the post you referenced are part of a broader series of allegations made by Elon Musk and members of the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) throughout 2024 and 2025.
Based on independent investigations, state election audits, and fact-checking reports, here is the validity of those specific claims:
1. The "Dog Registered to Vote" Claim
Status: Unsubstantiated / Misleading
The Claim: Musk and others have occasionally posted images of voter registration cards sent to pets or deceased individuals as "proof" of a fraudulent system.
The Reality: Election officials have explained that these incidents almost always involve third-party voter registration groups using outdated mailing lists (like commercial marketing lists), not the official state voter rolls.
Verification: Receiving a mailing addressed to a pet is not the same as a pet being on the voter rolls. To actually register, a valid Social Security number or Driver’s License is required. There is no verified evidence of a dog successfully casting a ballot or being an "active voter" in any official state database.
2. California as a "Hotbed of Voter Fraud"
Status: False / Lack of Evidence
The Claim: Musk has frequently claimed that California’s lack of strict voter ID laws and its use of universal mail-in ballots make it a "hotbed" for fraud.
The Reality: Extensive audits by the California Secretary of State and independent groups (including the Associated Press and FactCheck.org) have consistently found that while administrative errors occur, widespread or "massive" fraud does not.
Security Measures: California uses signature verification for all mail-in ballots. Each ballot has a unique barcode tied to a specific registered voter. If the signature doesn't match the one on file, the ballot is challenged and not counted unless the voter "cures" it (proves their identity).
3. Claims about Non-Citizen Voting
Status: Highly Exaggerated
The Claim: DOGE members (specifically Antonio Gracias) claimed in early 2025 that they found "thousands" of non-citizens on voter rolls by cross-referencing Social Security data.
The Reality: When these lists have been scrutinized in the past (such as in Georgia or Texas), the vast majority of "matches" turned out to be naturalized citizens whose records hadn't been updated in one database but were legal voters.
Expert Consensus: While isolated cases of non-citizens mistakenly registering (often at the DMV) do occur, they represent a tiny fraction of 1% of the total vote—statistically insignificant and nowhere near the "millions" often cited in social media posts.
4. "Illegal to Show ID" in California/New York
Status: False
The Claim: A viral post by Musk claimed it is "illegal" to show your ID in California and New York.
The Reality: It is not illegal for a voter to show their ID. However, state law prohibits poll workers from requesting it as a requirement to vote (unless the person is a first-time voter who didn't provide ID during registration). This distinction is often misrepresented to suggest that identity is never verified, whereas signatures are the primary method of verification in these states.
Summary
The claims made in the post typically rely on anecdotal outliers (like a misaddressed mailer) and frame them as evidence of systemic fraud. While administrative errors exist in any system involving millions of people, there is no credible evidence to support the idea of a "rigged" system or widespread fraudulent voting by dogs or non-citizens in California.
I see a lot of qualifiers such as “almost always”, “widespread”, “massive”, “outliers” etc. - in other words, acknowledging that it does happen. How big should we let it get before we eliminate any chance of fraud? If not every vote counts, will you agree to give yours up to offset these rare instances?
Bottom line is, Dem states have proven a willingness to cheat the American people, some oversight to prevent this is good for the security of our elections, people opposed to it are interested in preserving the possibility of fraud.
Bottom line is, Dem states have proven a willingness to cheat the American people,
Hate to break it to you, but 1) it is not "Dem" states. The percentages are pretty consistent across ALL states. and 2) The percentages are pretty even across both parties. You will get a quantity difference of 1000 illegal votes in California versus 100 illegal votes in Wyoming, but it is not going to change election results in any way, shape or form.
So if you go on this campaign of "voter ID or else" scorched earth policy, you are going to affect Republican states just as much. And frankly, going with the "you need to show your marriage license or passport if your name does not match your birth certificate" is going to hurt Republican women more than it is going to hurt Democrat women because Republican women are more likely to change their name when getting married.
I don’t care if it hurts Pubs or their states. There have been several cases of voting fraud by Republicans too, they all need to be stopped & can be reasonably. I continue to allude to primarily Dem states because we see front & center their willingness to discard existing laws to forward their agenda & voting won’t be any different.
This is why - Dem led states have already shown they are willing to disregard our laws as evidenced by lack of immigration enforcement. They’ve tried to remake the electorate, if that doesn’t work they’ll try something else…
The claims in the post you referenced are part of a broader series of allegations made by Elon Musk and members of the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) throughout 2024 and 2025.
Based on independent investigations, state election audits, and fact-checking reports, here is the validity of those specific claims:
1. The "Dog Registered to Vote" Claim
Status: Unsubstantiated / Misleading
The Claim: Musk and others have occasionally posted images of voter registration cards sent to pets or deceased individuals as "proof" of a fraudulent system.
The Reality: Election officials have explained that these incidents almost always involve third-party voter registration groups using outdated mailing lists (like commercial marketing lists), not the official state voter rolls.
Verification: Receiving a mailing addressed to a pet is not the same as a pet being on the voter rolls. To actually register, a valid Social Security number or Driver’s License is required. There is no verified evidence of a dog successfully casting a ballot or being an "active voter" in any official state database.
2. California as a "Hotbed of Voter Fraud"
Status: False / Lack of Evidence
The Claim: Musk has frequently claimed that California’s lack of strict voter ID laws and its use of universal mail-in ballots make it a "hotbed" for fraud.
The Reality: Extensive audits by the California Secretary of State and independent groups (including the Associated Press and FactCheck.org) have consistently found that while administrative errors occur, widespread or "massive" fraud does not.
Security Measures: California uses signature verification for all mail-in ballots. Each ballot has a unique barcode tied to a specific registered voter. If the signature doesn't match the one on file, the ballot is challenged and not counted unless the voter "cures" it (proves their identity).
3. Claims about Non-Citizen Voting
Status: Highly Exaggerated
The Claim: DOGE members (specifically Antonio Gracias) claimed in early 2025 that they found "thousands" of non-citizens on voter rolls by cross-referencing Social Security data.
The Reality: When these lists have been scrutinized in the past (such as in Georgia or Texas), the vast majority of "matches" turned out to be naturalized citizens whose records hadn't been updated in one database but were legal voters.
Expert Consensus: While isolated cases of non-citizens mistakenly registering (often at the DMV) do occur, they represent a tiny fraction of 1% of the total vote—statistically insignificant and nowhere near the "millions" often cited in social media posts.
4. "Illegal to Show ID" in California/New York
Status: False
The Claim: A viral post by Musk claimed it is "illegal" to show your ID in California and New York.
The Reality: It is not illegal for a voter to show their ID. However, state law prohibits poll workers from requesting it as a requirement to vote (unless the person is a first-time voter who didn't provide ID during registration). This distinction is often misrepresented to suggest that identity is never verified, whereas signatures are the primary method of verification in these states.
Summary
The claims made in the post typically rely on anecdotal outliers (like a misaddressed mailer) and frame them as evidence of systemic fraud. While administrative errors exist in any system involving millions of people, there is no credible evidence to support the idea of a "rigged" system or widespread fraudulent voting by dogs or non-citizens in California.
I see a lot of qualifiers such as “almost always”, “widespread”, “massive”, “outliers” etc. - in other words, acknowledging that it does happen. How big should we let it get before we eliminate any chance of fraud? If not every vote counts, will you agree to give yours up to offset these rare instances?
Bottom line is, Dem states have proven a willingness to cheat the American people, some oversight to prevent this is good for the security of our elections, people opposed to it are interested in preserving the possibility of fraud.
What is an acceptable level of fraud in elections?
Do you think that known methods for fraud will not be exploited or expanded?
Do you wait until you’ve gotten a cavity to brush your teeth?
