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Ohio Guy
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Well certainly mutation and adaption are scientific fact. But Goodall spent her whole life going further than that by applying it to humans and claiming we come from primates. True nutbag stuff. 

Which I would hope we can all agree is an absurd on its face. 

I think her stance was more nuanced. I thought her view was that modern humans and primates shared common ancestors, but we didn’t evolve from primates. 


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Topic starter Posted : 10/04/2025 2:16 pm
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Well certainly mutation and adaption are scientific fact. But Goodall spent her whole life going further than that by applying it to humans and claiming we come from primates. True nutbag stuff. 

Which I would hope we can all agree is an absurd on its face. 

I think her stance was more nuanced. I thought her view was that modern humans and primates shared common ancestors, but we didn’t evolve from primates. 

But we didn’t evolve from anything. We were created by god. 

 


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Posted : 10/04/2025 2:18 pm
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But we didn’t evolve from anything. We were created by god. 

“Evolution” and “created by God” aren’t mutually exclusive. 


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Topic starter Posted : 10/04/2025 2:28 pm
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... claiming we come from primates.

Nonsense. Nobody has claimed that humans evolved from any existing ape. Modern apes and humans have an ancient common ancestor. This is supported both by DNA composition and the fossil record.

Go far enough back and humans and marijuana plants have a common ancestor.

 


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... claiming we come from primates.

Nonsense. Nobody has claimed that humans evolved from any existing ape. Modern apes and humans have an ancient common ancestor. This is supported both by DNA composition and the fossil record.

Go far enough back and humans and marijuana plants have a common ancestor.

 

This is what you do is it not? Acting as if I claimed something I didn’t? Like humans evolved from modern primates? Or that all pre-existing conditions are the result of human behavior? Or that I think mifepristone generics should be banned because they don’t show the same effectiveness as the original drug?

 

You argue with the point you want to argue with, not what was said. 

Because you’re a bad faith bitch. 

 


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Posted : 10/04/2025 7:24 pm
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Jesus fvcking Christ, morons. We ARE primates. 


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Posted : 10/04/2025 7:58 pm
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@carramrod remember. You’re talking to a guy who hates Trump in the face of current Dems.  That’s how stupid this mother fcker is


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Posted : 10/04/2025 8:02 pm
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Heard less from her in recent years as the evolutionary theory her life’s work was predicated on became more thoroughly debunked. 

Just like the theory of gravity and the reality of a near-spherical Earth, right?

Evolutionary theory is to biology what the periodic table is to chemistry, and more. Evolution by genetic mutation and natural selection based on traits emerging from those mutations is as true as the existence of the sun. The myriad of facts and proofs of evolution together form the scientific theory of how it works. 

A scientific theory is not a best guess, a crazy idea, or even a hypothesis. It is an overarching fundamental principle of science supported by massive collections of supporting evidence.

 

Correct.

And well stated.  Goodall was a true pioneer and a heroine of science.

 

Well certainly mutation and adaption are scientific fact. But Goodall spent her whole life going further than that by applying it to humans and claiming we come from primates. True nutbag stuff. 

Which I would hope we can all agree is an absurd on its face. 

 

Should have figured you'd be one of those people.

 


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Posted : 10/04/2025 8:33 pm
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Well certainly mutation and adaption are scientific fact. But Goodall spent her whole life going further than that by applying it to humans and claiming we come from primates. True nutbag stuff. 

Which I would hope we can all agree is an absurd on its face. 

I think her stance was more nuanced. I thought her view was that modern humans and primates shared common ancestors, but we didn’t evolve from primates. 

Actually we are primates. No nuance is needed. People like Farva neither understand nor accept basic scientific fact.

 


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Heard less from her in recent years as the evolutionary theory her life’s work was predicated on became more thoroughly debunked. 

Just like the theory of gravity and the reality of a near-spherical Earth, right?

Evolutionary theory is to biology what the periodic table is to chemistry, and more. Evolution by genetic mutation and natural selection based on traits emerging from those mutations is as true as the existence of the sun. The myriad of facts and proofs of evolution together form the scientific theory of how it works. 

A scientific theory is not a best guess, a crazy idea, or even a hypothesis. It is an overarching fundamental principle of science supported by massive collections of supporting evidence.

 

Correct.

And well stated.  Goodall was a true pioneer and a heroine of science.

 

Well certainly mutation and adaption are scientific fact. But Goodall spent her whole life going further than that by applying it to humans and claiming we come from primates. True nutbag stuff. 

Which I would hope we can all agree is an absurd on its face. 

 

Should have figured you'd be one of those people.

 

 

”those people” meaning creationists. As in most of the people on earth. 

 


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Posted : 10/04/2025 8:48 pm
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Heard less from her in recent years as the evolutionary theory her life’s work was predicated on became more thoroughly debunked. 

Just like the theory of gravity and the reality of a near-spherical Earth, right?

Evolutionary theory is to biology what the periodic table is to chemistry, and more. Evolution by genetic mutation and natural selection based on traits emerging from those mutations is as true as the existence of the sun. The myriad of facts and proofs of evolution together form the scientific theory of how it works. 

A scientific theory is not a best guess, a crazy idea, or even a hypothesis. It is an overarching fundamental principle of science supported by massive collections of supporting evidence.

 

Correct.

And well stated.  Goodall was a true pioneer and a heroine of science.

 

Well certainly mutation and adaption are scientific fact. But Goodall spent her whole life going further than that by applying it to humans and claiming we come from primates. True nutbag stuff. 

Which I would hope we can all agree is an absurd on its face. 

 

Should have figured you'd be one of those people.

 

 

”those people” meaning creationists. As in most of the people on earth. 

 

Technically, no. Most people have no problem reconciling their belief in creation with the truth of evolution. They are creationists in the strictest sense of the term, but still accept evolution as the best explanation for how creation happened. "Those people" are the people who argue for special creation, which explicitly rejects evolution (or any natural process) as the means by which life forms as we know them have arisen.

 


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Posted : 10/04/2025 8:57 pm
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Technically, no. Most people have no problem reconciling their belief in creation with the truth of evolution. They are creationists in the strictest sense of the term, but still accept evolution as the best explanation for how creation happened. “Those people” are the people who argue for special creation, which explicitly rejects evolution (or any natural process) as the means by which life forms as we know them have arisen.

My favorites are those who acknowledge evolution and will even accept it for life other than humans -- "image of God" and all that.

 


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Posted : 10/04/2025 9:15 pm
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Technically, no. Most people have no problem reconciling their belief in creation with the truth of evolution. They are creationists in the strictest sense of the term, but still accept evolution as the best explanation for how creation happened. “Those people” are the people who argue for special creation, which explicitly rejects evolution (or any natural process) as the means by which life forms as we know them have arisen.

My favorites are those who acknowledge evolution and will even accept it for life other than humans -- "image of God" and all that.

 

Don't understand how you can possibly see a great ape and still make such a claim.

 


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Posted : 10/04/2025 9:18 pm
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My favorites are those who acknowledge evolution and will even accept it for life other than humans -- "image of God" and all that.

Don't understand how you can possibly see a great ape and still make such a claim.

I'll grant you that POV is rare, but it shows the lengths people will go to to adhere to what they believe is unassailable.  

 


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Posted : 10/04/2025 9:27 pm
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Technically, no. Most people have no problem reconciling their belief in creation with the truth of evolution. They are creationists in the strictest sense of the term, but still accept evolution as the best explanation for how creation happened. “Those people” are the people who argue for special creation, which explicitly rejects evolution (or any natural process) as the means by which life forms as we know them have arisen.

My favorites are those who acknowledge evolution and will even accept it for life other than humans -- "image of God" and all that.

 

Don't understand how you can possibly see a great ape and still make such a claim.

 

 

I’ve seen great apes. Stupid as hell. Completely useless. No way they share an ancestor with humans. Because humans are one of one. 

Do you think it is the bipedal ability that causes you to reach such nonsensical conclusions?

 

 


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