First, who was Doris "Dorie" Miller?
"On Sunday 7 December 1941, Mess Attendant Third Class Doris Miller was retrieving laundry when the Japanese bombs fell on Pearl Harbor. He arrived on deck, where he encountered his mortally wounded commanding officer and carried him to safety. He proceeded to one of the machine guns and, although black sailors never received training on the anti-aircraft guns, he opened fire on the Japanese planes overhead. After the gun ran out of ammunition, Miller assisted in evacuating sailors after the order to abandon ship and was one of the last three men to leave the vessel as it sank. Even after leaving the ship, he helped numerous sailors to safety.
"Doris Miller continued to serve in the Navy as a mess attendant until 24 November 1943, when his carrier, USS Liscome Bay, was hit by a torpedo during the Gilbert Islands Campaign and its bomb magazine exploded, and most of the crew were killed. Miller was presumed dead and although his body was never recovered, he was declared killed in action after a year. Miller was 24 years old."
The Unforeseen Legacy of Doris… | National Museum of the Pacific War
So whose name will likely take the place of WWII war hero Dorie Miller on the new carrier? A draft dodger. A person who described his efforts to avoid STDs here in the States as his "own personal Vietnam." A person who, according to his niece, threatened to disown and disinherit his oldest son if he enlisted in the US Army. A person who doesn't know the meaning of service and is interested only in money, vanity projects and adulation.
I'll save you the trouble of a "yabbut" argument, MAGA readers. I think it's wrong that an upcoming carrier will be named after Clinton. But a war hero's name wasn't scrubbed in favor of Clinton, and at least he was out of office at the time of the designation. No US Navy vessel has ever been named after a sitting president.
If carriers should be named only after former presidents, fine, but it was Trump's own officials who designated Miller for this posthumous honor during Trump's first term. This is a shitty about-face if it comes to fruition.
Navy discusses renaming aircraft carrier after Trump instead of heroic Black sailor
- there are already carriers not named after presidents. I believe 3 of them. Facts are your friends.
- if you believe this will happen outside of your TDS-addled Facebook circles and CNN fake news, then I have other things I wish to sell you
@unclemark “according to two US officials”
Mark, you are much more capable of critical thought in a down news cycle.
- there are already carriers not named after presidents. I believe 3 of them. Facts are your friends.
- if you believe this will happen outside of your TDS-addled Facebook circles and CNN fake news, then I have other things I wish to sell you
There are several stories about this online, but none that can be confirmed with your source of choice. FoxNews is too busy putting out stories about that great American hero and patriot, Sophie Cunningham.
P.S. What is your opinion, if it is a true story?
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You should read more carefully, and read more. Nowhere did I state that there's never been an aircraft carrier named after someone who wasn't president. My link, in fact, references the USS Enterprise.
There is, though, a strong traditional expectation that exists among naval historians, military analysts, and lawmakers that modern U.S. nuclear-powered carriers should be named after former U.S. presidents, and a present-day mindset among some military analysts that only former presidents should receive this recognition. While not a rigid law, this custom has guided the naming of most Nimitz-class and Ford-class carriers. The practice solidified in the second half of the last century as a high honor, with the naming of ships after deceased presidents/CICs like FDR and JFK.
Here's how it works here. Posters are free to choose their own content. If you don't like my content (and you're apparently triggered by it), don't read it.
- there are already carriers not named after presidents. I believe 3 of them. Facts are your friends.
- if you believe this will happen outside of your TDS-addled Facebook circles and CNN fake news, then I have other things I wish to sell you
There are several stories about this online, but none that can be confirmed with your source of choice. FoxNews is too busy putting out stories about that great American hero and patriot, Sophie Cunningham.
P.S. What is your opinion, if it is a true story?
My opinion is Sophie is hot and awesome.
@bulk-vh if what specifically is a true story? That two “US officials” regardless of importance or regardless of influence are talking about it?
You should hear what lower level people at my company say. Would you ascribe their gibberish to being agents of the company?
@bulk-vh if what specifically is a true story? That two “US officials” regardless of importance or regardless of influence are talking about it?
You should hear what lower level people at my company say. Would you ascribe their gibberish to being agents of the company?
Good non-answer. Are you a politician?
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- there are already carriers not named after presidents. I believe 3 of them. Facts are your friends.
- if you believe this will happen outside of your TDS-addled Facebook circles and CNN fake news, then I have other things I wish to sell you
There are several stories about this online, but none that can be confirmed with your source of choice. FoxNews is too busy putting out stories about that great American hero and patriot, Sophie Cunningham.
P.S. What is your opinion, if it is a true story?
My opinion is Sophie is hot and awesome.
Meh.
P.S. I've told @thehoosierhuddle I am resigning as mod. There is already a poster who is moderating this board without the badge.
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"IF carriers SHOULD be named only after former US presidents..." That is an argument that has been advanced. It wasn't presented as fact. "IF." "SHOULD." Look up the meaning of those words.
You never bring anything of value to the discussion, at least not in reply to my posts. It's just snarky shit. Piss off.
- there are already carriers not named after presidents. I believe 3 of them. Facts are your friends.
- if you believe this will happen outside of your TDS-addled Facebook circles and CNN fake news, then I have other things I wish to sell you
There are several stories about this online, but none that can be confirmed with your source of choice. FoxNews is too busy putting out stories about that great American hero and patriot, Sophie Cunningham.
P.S. What is your opinion, if it is a true story?
My opinion is Sophie is hot and awesome.
Meh.
P.S. I've told @thehoosierhuddle I am resigning as mod.
