*sigh* Jesus Christ....
https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/military-leaders-iran-war-trump-172548999.html
This is Trump's chief spiritual advisor. Gives me serious Gwen Walz vibes. And yes, she is on her 3rd marriage.
https://twitter.com/i/status/2029199375365509503
I'd let her hit it.
she does seem to have a lot of enthusiasm
I like that
The notion that there is a conservative patina on Christian Nationalism is hogwash. Everything that anybody would agree with is present among Christians. Singling out a discrete set of beliefs and calling that “Christian Nationalism” is meaningless.
No, it's not. It's a perfectly meaningful way to distinguish a particular type of nationalism from other types of nationalism. You're using "meaningless" as a synonym for "something I personally don't care about" and that's just a dismissively inaccurate way of avoiding a discussion you don't like. There's really no reason for you to have even responded to this topic at all.
You can be religious and realize that for a government of different minded people to work, you want government separate from religion.You know damn well what Christian nationalism is
I don't know what it is anymore. I used to think I knew, but it seems the popular definition is continually expanding.
Common and consistent definition:
Christian nationalism is a form of religious nationalism that focuses on promoting the Christian views of its followers in order to achieve prominence or dominance in political, cultural, and social life.
Why would any Christian not want Christianity to be prominent in their political, cultural, and social life?
Also, why wouldn't any human want their views to be prominent in their political, cultural, and social life, whether they're an atheist, Buddhist, or Muslim?
Once again, you guys are saying nothing.
You can be religious and realize that for a government of different minded people to work, you want government separate from religion.
As an aside, I just recently listened to the RIH series on Martin Luther. I thought Holland's remarks about secularism being the intellectual descendent of the Reformation were quite thought-provoking.
if there is such a thing as Christian Nationalism, it has no discernible politics or ideology except in the minds of those who create an ideology in order to focus criticism.
You can be religious and realize that for a government of different minded people to work, you want government separate from religion.You know damn well what Christian nationalism is
I don't know what it is anymore. I used to think I knew, but it seems the popular definition is continually expanding.
Common and consistent definition:
Christian nationalism is a form of religious nationalism that focuses on promoting the Christian views of its followers in order to achieve prominence or dominance in political, cultural, and social life.
Why would any Christian not want Christianity to be prominent in their political, cultural, and social life?
Also, why wouldn't any human want their views to be prominent in their political, cultural, and social life, whether they're an atheist, Buddhist, or Muslim?
Once again, you guys are saying nothing.
I'm not advocating for a theocracy and believe them to be unchristian . The point I am making is all people want their views to be prominent in culture, politics, and etc. For example do you want your views on homosexuality to be prominent? Of course you do. It's disengenous to pretend just Christians or some other group are the only ones pushing for it. There is no neutral.
It's disengenous to pretend just Christians or some other group are the only ones pushing for it.
Who's pretending that? No one in this thread. Although we do have a couple of people pretending that, as regards Christians specifically, it's fake news, doesn't exist. So you are directing your criticism in the exact wrong direction.
Who's pretending that? No one in this thread. Although we do have a couple of people pretending that, as regards Christians specifically, it's fake news, doesn't exist. So you are directing your criticism in the exact wrong direction.
Next thing you know we'll have people claiming that Christian Scientists aren't really scientists.
It's disengenous to pretend just Christians or some other group are the only ones pushing for it.
Who's pretending that? No one in this thread. Although we do have a couple of people pretending that, as regards Christians specifically, it's fake news, doesn't exist. So you are directing your criticism in the exact wrong direction.
I'll change my direction of criticism when leftists also start referring to people on the left like Illhan Omar as "Brown Muslim Anti-Nationalists". It would be equally as dumb as calling Pete Hegseth a "White Christian Nationalist", but at least they would then be consistent.
It's disengenous to pretend just Christians or some other group are the only ones pushing for it.
Who's pretending that? No one in this thread. Although we do have a couple of people pretending that, as regards Christians specifically, it's fake news, doesn't exist. So you are directing your criticism in the exact wrong direction.
I'll change my direction of criticism when leftists also start referring to people on the left like Illhan Omar as "Brown Muslim Anti-Nationalists". It would be equally as dumb as calling Pete Hegseth a "White Christian Nationalists", but at least they would then be consistent.
Easy now….You can’t use THOSE descriptive terms
That's one of my favorite that they've done.You can be religious and realize that for a government of different minded people to work, you want government separate from religion.
As an aside, I just recently listened to the RIH series on Martin Luther. I thought Holland's remarks about secularism being the intellectual descendent of the Reformation were quite thought-provoking.
If you've never listened to Hardcore History, go find the one on Munster during the Reformation--Prophets of Doom. Incredible.
I think your first sentence is what goat and I are pushing back on. The reason America is different (and better) than Iran isn't just because Christianity and not Islam is more prominent here; it's also because we have (classical) liberal values that separate church and state.You can be religious and realize that for a government of different minded people to work, you want government separate from religion.You know damn well what Christian nationalism is
I don't know what it is anymore. I used to think I knew, but it seems the popular definition is continually expanding.
Common and consistent definition:
Christian nationalism is a form of religious nationalism that focuses on promoting the Christian views of its followers in order to achieve prominence or dominance in political, cultural, and social life.
Why would any Christian not want Christianity to be prominent in their political, cultural, and social life?
Also, why wouldn't any human want their views to be prominent in their political, cultural, and social life, whether they're an atheist, Buddhist, or Muslim?
Once again, you guys are saying nothing.
I'm not advocating for a theocracy and believe them to be unchristian . The point I am making is all people want their views to be prominent in culture, politics, and etc. For example do you want your views on homosexuality to be prominent? Of course you do. It's disengenous to pretend just Christians or some other group are the only ones pushing for it. There is no neutral.
As for your point, I get what you're saying, but there are limits. For example, I really don't care if everyone in the nation becomes an atheist. I just don't want the govt forcing or endorsing any religious beliefs or any religion. Does that mean all non-freaks need to treat Satanism or Wickens respectfully? No. But it does mean you can't use government to treat it differently than Christianity.