You wouldn't recognize a good response if it poked you in the eye.Mark, it’s like whenever Republicans propose voter ID laws the Dems immediately scream racism, Jim Crowe 2.0, black people will never be able to vote, etc. And when asked who these black people are that don’t have an ID, why can’t they easily obtain one, etc? The Dems can never bring forward a single example.
I’ve seen many people ask on X who all these people are who were dying simply because they didn’t have access to insurance. I’ve never seen a single good response.
The Dems can never bring forward a single example.
Well, several thousand examples: Native American tribes in Arizona, North Dakota, and Montana were barred from voting by laws passed in each state (independently passed), requiring ID showing a permanent street address. Tribes do not have residential mail delivery. They get their mail at tribal PO boxes.
They sued and got the laws thrown out. Then the laws were replaced Federally by the Native American Voting Rights Act (NAVRA), where tribal IDs and tribal PO boxes became accepted.
"You can't make someone listen to reason if they aren't willing to think"-- Ray Bradbury, Fahrenheit 451
I’ve seen many people ask on X who all these people are who were dying simply because they didn’t have access to insurance. I’ve never seen a single good response.
Do people have to be on the brink of dying before you'd consider offering them assistance? How about just being forced to live on the brink of poverty? Would that count?
facts... evidence... data....
>26,000 Americans die each year because of lack of health insurance
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2323087/
"You can't make someone listen to reason if they aren't willing to think"-- Ray Bradbury, Fahrenheit 451
facts... evidence... data....
>26,000 Americans die each year because of lack of health insurance
Again, why did they die? Don't just say lack of insurance. They were having a heart attack but weren't aware that ERs are required to treat them even with no insurance? They had a cancer diagnosis but couldn't get treatment because they didn't know how to apply for Medicaid? You need to get a lot more specific.
One very easy to grasp specific example. Cancer. Having no health insurance to cover a doctor's visit impedes early detection and leads to high mortality.
Want the data?
Colorectal cancer. The one year survival rate if detected at stage 1 is 97.7%. Survival falls to only 43.9% if detected at stage 4.
Lung cancer follows the same pattern, with one year survival reaching 87.3% for stage 1 disease, but only 18.7% for stage 4.
https://www.bmj.com/content/364/bmj.l408
Health insurance status and cancer stage at diagnosis and survival in the United States
Our findings extend earlier research showing that lack of health insurance coverage is associated with later stage at diagnosis and worse short-term survival among individuals newly diagnosed with cancer, with more recent data and more information on long-term survival. Improving access to comprehensive health insurance coverage is critical for ensuring access to care throughout the cancer care continuum, including receipt of recommended cancer screening, timely diagnosis, and quality treatment.
https://acsjournals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.3322/caac.21732
"You can't make someone listen to reason if they aren't willing to think"-- Ray Bradbury, Fahrenheit 451
Anectdotal evidence from an untrustworthy source is no data backed evidence, but even if we humor you & you’re not lying, it’s a sample size of 2, lol….
Indeed, but to refute the allegation that 100% of people are always X, we need only one person who is instead Y.
And is you want scientific evidence based on data, it's easy to find.
"You can't make someone listen to reason if they aren't willing to think"-- Ray Bradbury, Fahrenheit 451
Dealing facts like Bob Gibson dealt fastballs. Many posters are dusting off the dirt.
"You can't make someone listen to reason if they aren't willing to think"-- Ray Bradbury, Fahrenheit 451
Given that 100% of people who have health insurance will die, (that’s a mathematical certainty) I’m curious about how one would design a study to give reliable results.
How do these studies control for patient apathy or other patient self- imposed failures. If you offered totally free screening for heart disease, hypertension, or lower GI issues, I think a significant number wouldn’t participate and more wouldn’t take their meds anyhow.
I had a friend who was diagnosed with prostrate cancer who wouldn’t treat it because doctors didn’t know anything He had insurance and he is now dead.
Finally, I would think a statistically relevant number of uninsured are individuals whose lifestyles lead to substance abuse and who arec unreliable and problem employees.
@co-hoosier sure. There are always those who made their bed. And I’m fine with safeguards. Guy sits home not doing fuck all but drinking and smoking like a chimney gets cancer. Says oh fck I need insurance calls Uhc the next day and expects to cover treatment. No. Have a waiting period to address that. As often they do. But it’s in our best interest as a society to dictate that if you want to be in the insurance business there are certain expectations and requirements. You don’t get to cherry pick and exclude.
I feel like too many people are far too keen on coming up with reasons why certain people shouldn't receive healthcare. I think society has progressed to the point that this mindset is not only backwards, but perverse.
I feel like too many people are far too keen on coming up with reasons why certain people shouldn't receive healthcare. I think society has progressed to the point that this mindset is not only backwards, but perverse.
You don’t have a right to someone else’s labor. Democrats are far too keen on positive rights.
I feel like too many people are far too keen on coming up with reasons why certain people shouldn't receive healthcare. I think society has progressed to the point that this mindset is not only backwards, but perverse.
You don’t have a right to someone else’s labor. Democrats are far too keen on positive rights.
Yes, you do. Unless you believe in complete anarchism as the only moral governmental system, then you accept that people have a right to others' labor. Maybe you're an anarchist. I'm not.
I feel like too many people are far too keen on coming up with reasons why certain people shouldn't receive healthcare. I think society has progressed to the point that this mindset is not only backwards, but perverse.
What’s perverse is that you & everyone that wants to are free to give as much of your money as you wish to pay for other peoples’ health care costs, are you doing so? If you wish to truly make a difference in the lives of others, you could really distinguish yourself by starting a charity to fund this through private donations instead of waiting for the government to tell you that you have to or just sit back & watch as everyone’s costs go up…
Your post looks like health care is free. Its seductive to look at health care from the POV of who should receive it, but since we are growing the debt by a trillion dollars every few months, it’s time to think about how many recipients can we afford.
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