I don't find it a very good explanation.I explained why but I'll elaborate.
Saying a decades-long, deeply complex guerrilla war could be won in a week disrespects the lives of the more than 58,000 American service members who died, as well as the hundreds of thousands who were wounded or deeply traumatized.
Trump received five draft deferments during the Vietnam War, four for college and one for a medical diagnosis of bone spurs. He never served in uniform. Someone who avoided service is in a poor position to second-guess the military realities faced by those who fought.
Finally, he's an idiot and doesn't understand the basic geography of the region. He has suggested targeting Ho Chi Minh City to win quickly. Ho Chi Minh City is Saigon. Saigon was the capital of U.S.-allied South Vietnam, not the enemy capital (Hanoi)! And direct bombing campaigns against Hanoi and/or northern populated regions risked escalating the conflict into a direct war with the Soviet Union or China.
Yes. This does a way better job of explaining it than my post did. Thanks.
Trump's reasoning is bad, true. But thinking you could win the war with a better strategy doesn't have anything to do with what the men who fought sacrificed on the ground. It doesn't disrespect them at all to say, in essence, it wasn't your fault man-on-the-ground, it was the politician's fault and higher ups. People have been doing just that analysis for 50 years. Hell, my dad, who served in Vietnam, does it. Even in an extreme example, when someone moronically says we should have nuked them (probably what you could get Trump to say), they aren't disrespecting the troops. When people questioned napalming huge swaths of jungle, they weren't disrespecting the troops either. (According to Kelly, Trump disrespected troops before, calling them losers and suckers. At least that would be actual disrespect).
As for Trump's draft dodging, it has has nothing to do with it. That's just pure ad hominem, a fundamental logical fallacy that you and Butch fall into quite often.
And not wanting civilians to second-guess miliary leaders? I don't agree with that at all at a high level. Talk about un-American. Have you ever second guessed the way in which we've conducted a war? Of course you have.
You are one dumb person... You’re the worst.
It would be glorious to do a round of Jeopardy! with you. If there were no soccer questions, you would be shut out. Dumb as the orange turd, without the excuse of being 80.
"You can't make someone listen to reason if they aren't willing to think"-- Ray Bradbury, Fahrenheit 451
And not wanting civilians to second-guess miliary leaders?
Nowhere did I even suggest that.
Where I take issue with Trump isn't necessarily that he'd suggest there were decisions that could have been made that would have ended Vietnam quicker, it's that he used it as an example to prove he's smarter than anyone remotely in charge during Vietnam (or at any other time in history, based on the rest of his remarks). Glibly and somewhat off-handedly suggesting that he would have done things so magically differently is a slap in the face to his predecessors and military leaders alike. Trump has proven again and again he's an idiot. There are undoubtedly valid criticisms of how the US handled the Vietnam war. Given that he said he'd bomb Ho Chi Minh City, Trump has no idea what any of those criticisms actually might be. His 'I'm the best and everyone else is just dumb-with-a-b' troupe is tiresome.
And it's important to point out that Trump isn't just arm-chair QBing here - he's the Commander in Chief currently embroiled in a months long war that was supposed to be a little excursion. Using Vietnam era military to prop up his fragile ego is at the very least dumb.
Maybe his draft dodging has little to do with his comments, but I'd have to think a fair number of Vietnam vets would scoff at the idea that a draft dodger thinks bombing the capitol of South Vietnam would have ended their war in under a week.
So this explanation is a far cry from the one you just said "does a way better job of explaining it than my post did."And not wanting civilians to second-guess miliary leaders?
Nowhere did I even suggest that.
Where I take issue with Trump isn't necessarily that he'd suggest there were decisions that could have been made that would have ended Vietnam quicker, it's that he used it as an example to prove he's smarter than anyone remotely in charge during Vietnam (or at any other time in history, based on the rest of his remarks). Glibly and somewhat off-handedly suggesting that he would have done things so magically differently is a slap in the face to his predecessors and military leaders alike. Trump has proven again and again he's an idiot. There are undoubtedly valid criticisms of how the US handled the Vietnam war. Given that he said he'd bomb Ho Chi Minh City, Trump has no idea what any of those criticisms actually might be. His 'I'm the best and everyone else is just dumb-with-a-b' troupe is tiresome.
And it's important to point out that Trump isn't just arm-chair QBing here - he's the Commander in Chief currently embroiled in a months long war that was supposed to be a little excursion. Using Vietnam era military to prop up his fragile ego is at the very least dumb.
Maybe his draft dodging has little to do with his comments, but I'd have to think a fair number of Vietnam vets would scoff at the idea that a draft dodger thinks bombing the capitol of South Vietnam would have ended their war in under a week.
I agree with a lot of it, but saying Trump is slapping the face of prior military leaders and Presidents is a long way away from "Vietnam Vets." Everyone understands that to mean the guys who are not the "leaders" or presidents--especially when you write about the guys who suffered PTSD, were wounded, etc.
I don't care if the President slaps the face of the people who got us into Vietnam and prolonged it. They deserve criticism, just like Bush and the powers that be that fucked up Iraq after the military defeat of Hussein do. And people who criticized that effort weren't taking shots at the troops carrying out the orders on high, either.
I don't care if the President slaps the face of the people who got us into Vietnam and prolonged it. They deserve criticism, just like Bush and the powers that be that fucked up Iraq after the military defeat of Hussein do. And people who criticized that effort weren't taking shots at the troops carrying out the orders on high, either.
I get that. I don't really want to side with Nixon or Bush over Vietnam or Iraq respectively. I still think Trump weighing in on war he draft dodged his way out of - and that he evidently knows very little about - is poor form and makes him look like an idiot. It would be completely valid to me if a Vietnam vet was offended that he took it upon himself to say that he actually knows how it should have been ended quickly. Ultimately it's not a big deal - it's pretty much already forgotten in the news cycle - but it was just dumb and moronic for him to comment on it because it made him look stupid.
Woman copies Murt's FT form
https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/2117629719940325474/video/1
"You can't make someone listen to reason if they aren't willing to think"-- Ray Bradbury, Fahrenheit 451
@shooter that’s everywhere. One of the craziest things I’ve ever seen. Nuts that no coach fixed that.
im 1-1 for 3 in assembly hall btw. Lost in Im championship.
@shooter that’s everywhere. One of the craziest things I’ve ever seen. Nuts that no coach fixed that.
im 1-1 for 3 in assembly hall btw. Lost in Im championship.
That reminds me of the Peegs 3 on 3 tournament back in 2002. I played in that with IU Believer. Some people brought ringers, but it was all good. It was in Bloomington, but I honestly forget where it was. I have shirt from that tournament somewhere. I don't know if there are any stories/pictures from the peegs archives, but they'd be cool to see.
The arrogance. And assholery.
Can't wait until he takes his superglue and leaves the Oval for the last time.
26 months.
Trump designates Oval Office and Cabinet Room as national monument | Fox News
The arrogance. And assholery.
Can't wait until he takes his superglue and leaves the Oval for the last time.
26 months.
Trump designates Oval Office and Cabinet Room as national monument | Fox News
And who is going to stop President AOC from tearing all his shit down? The Supremes? Nope, they say the President can do anything she wants, remember?
The arrogance. And assholery.
Can't wait until he takes his superglue and leaves the Oval for the last time.
26 months.
Trump designates Oval Office and Cabinet Room as national monument | Fox News
And who is going to stop President AOC from tearing all his shit down? The Supremes? Nope, they say the President can do anything she wants, remember?
Just when you think he can't possibly be any more of an asshole, he proves you wrong.
Yep, an executive order should do it.
I know your presidential prediction is tongue-in-cheek, but I'm convinced it'll be Ossoff, assuming the Dems don't squander the gift they got this week.
Surge in 2028 US presidential bets reframes markets after midterms | Reuters
And not wanting civilians to second-guess miliary leaders?
Nowhere did I even suggest that.
Where I take issue with Trump isn't necessarily that he'd suggest there were decisions that could have been made that would have ended Vietnam quicker, it's that he used it as an example to prove he's smarter than anyone remotely in charge during Vietnam (or at any other time in history, based on the rest of his remarks). Glibly and somewhat off-handedly suggesting that he would have done things so magically differently is a slap in the face to his predecessors and military leaders alike. Trump has proven again and again he's an idiot. There are undoubtedly valid criticisms of how the US handled the Vietnam war. Given that he said he'd bomb Ho Chi Minh City, Trump has no idea what any of those criticisms actually might be. His 'I'm the best and everyone else is just dumb-with-a-b' troupe is tiresome.
And it's important to point out that Trump isn't just arm-chair QBing here - he's the Commander in Chief currently embroiled in a months long war that was supposed to be a little excursion. Using Vietnam era military to prop up his fragile ego is at the very least dumb.
Maybe his draft dodging has little to do with his comments, but I'd have to think a fair number of Vietnam vets would scoff at the idea that a draft dodger thinks bombing the capitol of South Vietnam would have ended their war in under a week.
He would end the Russia war on day 1
Iran war would be over quickly (forget what original timeline was supposed to be)
Trump over promises and never delivers. If he could have done better in Vietnam, then why can't he prove it with Iran?
Old news already, but still worth a watch.
"I Had It Cleaned"
https://youtube.com/shorts/MKUXF6fP_3E?si=t2tW9dTKPHglzoJp