The UK is separating itself from traditional liberal democratic ideals. This asylum case is the canary in the coal mine.
This looks like a rant, not an argument. I probably agree with much of your views about the ill-effects of oppression. We continue to waste human beings today with the crappy education we deliver to many youngsters, especially minority youngsters.
But you really haven’t explained why diversity makes us better. Making things better is not about diversity, it’s about cultivating and applying the talents we have.
The Mississippi Miracle ( which has spread to other southern states) I have posted about is a reason for optimism . Yet “progressive” places like Massachusetts, Minnesota, Washington, and others still lag, and have been overtaken in some measure by Mississippi. That is because of policy and focus, not because of diversity.
What weird definition of lag do you use, as has been pointed out by others, Mississippi ain't past Mass.
https://www.nationsreportcard.gov/profiles/stateprofile?sfj=NP&chort=1&sub=MAT&sj=&st=MN&year=2024R3
Look at what all diversity has brought. Rock and roll music was created by a Black or a White? Motown was mainly Black or White? 1 in 10 restaurants in America today are Mexican. (source) We have been through numbers of roofers in America who are immigrants. Same for poultry processing plants. Are you ready to go to work at a poultry processing plant? Maybe work in a hotel (note even Trump thought we should defer booting out hotel workers). Diversity includes bringing in people willing to do jobs the CO Hoosier's of the world won't do. I like having Thai restaurants and others to compete with American meat loaf and mashed potatoes. There is nothing wrong with eliminating groupthink that many of us love. I'll use biology as the best example, a population that has diverse genetic code are more resilient and adaptable. I want our nation to be more resilient and adaptable. Those are positive traits.
That used to be a strength; we were resilient and adapted. Now we are scared and timid, clinging to old ideas. American culture is viewed as weak, bringing on others will destroy it. I don't believe for a minute we are as weak as you seem to think. But I'm not one that thinks I need prepper supplies, gold, and bitcoin because America has one foot in the grave and another on the banana peel. Stop being afraid.
Trite slop. However impressive for the amount of unoriginal talking points crammed into one paragraph.
COH is right. You’re just ranting.
Motown and Rock and Roll and Mexican restaurants are evidence we should allow more Muslims into the country in 2026?
The leftist mind is extremely cluttered.
For one moment, take Muslims off the table. The argument has been we can't have other cultures but European. It is just coincidental those cultures omitted are Black or Hispanic. My ancestors were dirt poor Scotch-Irish. No self respecting country in the world wanted them but America did (insert great line from Stripes here).
Culture has come up often, undertaker loves the word. If we want to change to religion, we can discuss that. I haven't known many Muslims but the couple I have known sure haven't shown signs they wanted to kill all Americans.
We fell for this before. We thought if one were of Japanese descent and here one was a severe threat. It turned out to be not at all true.
I think our history has been people coming here from the German wars, Irish famine, other disasters, were great contributors to America. Chinese refugees built the railroads, and died in droves doing it. A Japanese-American unit fighting in Italy in WW2 had a great record.
Heck, go back to the Haitian controversy. Many people were saying they were working hard in Ohio.
@arthur-dent rattling off alleged contributions by particular ethnic groups is not engaging in the argument.
Should we discriminate on nation of origin for immigration purposes, why or why not?
We have historically.
Should we stop deportation of those here unlawfully in contravention of federal law? If so, why?
Don’t offer me a campaign speech, give me something of substance.
You’re third generation grandmother only spoke German?
Excuse but I think you’re FOS
In her home, yes, their family only spoke German. They went to German groceries, read local newspapers written in German, voted on paper ballots written in German, and had official documents like birth, death, and marriage certificates all written in German. The family retained many such documents.
At some point she also learned English, perhaps in school or perhaps only after marrying my grandfather, who is of English and Irish descent. I have some of her old German recipes, some written in German, some in English.
You can think I'm full of shit all you want. Google it.
AI overview
Shelby County, Indiana, shares in the broader German-American heritage of the state, which was deeply influenced by19th-century immigration and persisted into the early 20th century, despite significant cultural pressure during World War I.
German Heritage in Shelby County & Indiana (20th Century), Settlement & Persistence: While German immigration peaked before 1890, German-born residents and their descendants remained the largest foreign-born group in Indiana from 1850 through 1920. This influence remained strong in central and southern Indiana during the early 20th century.
Cultural & Industrial Impact: German settlers brought cultural traditions, including strong work ethics and community organizations. While some areas like Dubois County ("Little Jasper") or Oldenburg were heavily, explicitly German, Shelby County was part of the general, widespread rural and town settlement pattern of German farmers and businessmen.
The 1910s through 1930s saw a decline in the public use of the German language, accelerated by anti-German sentiment during WWI.
Archives & Records: The Indiana Historical Society and local repositories hold records of 20th-century German-American life, including family papers, church records, and records from businesses (like A.D. Cook, Inc. in the region).
Bilingualism in Early 20th Century Indiana: In the early 20th century many homes in Indiana still spoke German, and children often learned English upon entering public school.Church and Community: German was frequently used in churches for services and confirmations well into the 20th century. However, this began to shift toward English, particularly after WWI. Language Retention: While bilingualism was common among first and second-generation immigrants, the use of German in daily life steeply declined in the latter half of the 20th century.
"You can't make someone listen to reason if they aren't willing to think"-- Ray Bradbury, Fahrenheit 451
@shooter see. I knew you were FOS. “In their home”. God you such a dishonest little weasel. So they did know English, then.
I can’t even believe I entertain you and marv with this dishonest dreck. Insulated, largely self-sufficient settler communities featuring common use of their native language vs dropping thousands of Haitians in a 50K person town in Ohio or thousands of Venezuelans into Denver.
And we’re supposed to pretend like it’s the same concept.
You leftists don’t engage in good faith, ever.
@shooter see. I knew you were FOS. “In their home”. God you such a dishonest little weasel. So they did know English, then.
I can’t even believe I entertain you and marv with this dishonest dreck. Insulated, largely self-sufficient settler communities featuring common use of their native language vs dropping thousands of Haitians in a 50K person town in Ohio or thousands of Venezuelans into Denver.
And we’re supposed to pretend like it’s the same concept.
You leftists don’t engage in good faith, ever.
Man this guy nails exactly what I’m driving at.
Should we discriminate on nation of origin for immigration purposes, why or why not?
We have historically.
Should we stop deportation of those here unlawfully in contravention of federal law? If so, why?
Don’t offer me a campaign speech, give me something of substance.
Define discriminate? We discriminated against Germans and Irish after they came here, refused to hire them, and terrorized them? Is that what we want now?
The first immigration laws excluding people were from the 1870s against Asians. What do you think drove that law? Was it enlightenment? Or was it hatred of Asians?
But from our founding until 1872 or so, anyone could just walk in. If our founders didn't want Asians or others here, didn't they have the ability to write that into law? By 1872, none of the founders were alive. Heck, many of them clearly wanted Blacks here; they went out and kidnapped them and brought them to America against their will. So clearly, our founders were all in favor of bringing Blacks to America.
I can't understand all the people saying we need to be colorblind when it comes to DEI say we must consider color at all these other times.
Should we stop deportation? No. I've posted recently that how it is done matters. Obama deported many, he just didn't need to make a "yeah, we are kicking their brown asses all over the place" spectacle about it. At this point, it seems a waste to pursue those who have lived here for 10 years without any problems. We speak about laws, "in contravention" of laws. I suspect there are a lot of laws that get broken, drive on an interstate at the speed limit and see how few do. Watch at no turn on red signs. I suspect quite a few on this board broke laws on marijuana. Our head of HHS brags about snorting cocaine off a toilet seat. I have known quite a few people, including conservatives, who rented movies back in the day and burned the movie from one image they returned to one they kept. Underage drinking? Gambling laws? So we already recognize we do not enforce every law every time. We might not be far off from being as lax as the NBA on the law of travelling.
Some of the people being deported are here legally, they have reported in and have cases pending and have the right to stay. Others have been here quite a while. But yes, I don't see a need to die on the hill of most of the people who came in undocumented under Biden. Just do it the proper way.
"Discrimination is wrong, but we don't want Blacks" strikes me as a very strange philosophy.
You leftists don’t engage in good faith, ever.
As if the people who think substituting the word "culture" for "race" in "We don't want certain cultures in America" are arguing in good faith.
@shooter see. I knew you were FOS. “In their home”. God you such a dishonest little weasel.
I don't have a time machine to know if she picked up English in 1920, 1930, 1940, or exactly when. The point was she lived in an area where speaking English was unnecessary for effective assimilation. The county and state governments were fine with it too, apparently. She told me, when I took German in high school, that she grew up speaking only German. She was comfortable speaking in either german or English, until she died in the 1980s.
You have a ridiculous tendency to call anyone a liar when you are uncomfortable with the facts that they share.
...we’re supposed to pretend like it’s the same concept.
I never made any such comparisons. The point was [again] that my grandma lived in an area where speaking English was unnecessary for effective immigrant assimilation.
"You can't make someone listen to reason if they aren't willing to think"-- Ray Bradbury, Fahrenheit 451
@arthur-dent and the from 1920-1965 we restricted immigration to essentially only Western European nations. So our immigration laws do fluctuate based on the will of the public.
But you’re not even actually engaging with what I’m saying, so I’m done.
If you think I’m using nation of origin as a euphemism for color, then we can’t engage. I have no earthly idea why you’re talking about slaves and their descendants.
Also if any lawful residents have been deported under this administration, then that is regrettable. It’s also not unique to this administration and isn’t happening en masse. It’s evidence of a mistake, nothing wider than that.
@shooter see. I knew you were FOS. “In their home”. God you such a dishonest little weasel.
...we’re supposed to pretend like it’s the same concept.I never made any such comparisons. The point was [again] that my grandma lived in an area where speaking English was unnecessary for effective immigrant assimilation.
YOU ARE MAKING THAT COMPARISON. You used a story about your settler grandparents speaking German as an explanation for why immigrants shouldn’t be expected to learn English when they move to developed American communities.
The goal post moving with you people.
No, I'm not moving any goalposts, so stop lying about me and stop twisting my words beyond what I say. I am simply making the point that it has often been true in our country's past that merely preferring to speak another language does not mean that a person is some evil threat to American culture. That doesn't mean every immigrant is an angel, or that every son, daughter, or grandchild of an immigrant is either. It also doesn't mean that proper steps for LEGAL immigration and/or granting asylum should be averted. Like you presumably, I am for legal immigration.
"You can't make someone listen to reason if they aren't willing to think"-- Ray Bradbury, Fahrenheit 451
@shooter who in this thread has taken exception with being bilingual?
Why did you make that post about your family as a response to mine?
Kiswani was yanking someone's chain, and Fine got pwnd.
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