@mcm666 Monday (7/28) and this morning’s edition of the Cincinnati Enquirer made exactly ZERO mention of this story, an event that has garnered national and international attention. Nothing Saturday (okay, they put the paper to bed around 2000 hours and this altercation happened late Friday/early Saturday) morning, nothing Sunday morning and, now, nothing Monday morning.
Local TV stations, in Facebook posts, write that the man “appeared” to have been stomped and the woman “appeared” to have been punched and knocked down.
If you didn’t quite understand the grainy concept of “fake news” this might be something that brings more clarity.
What are you talking about? As I'm typing this I have the Cincy Enquirer website up on another tab and the lead/main story is "Suspects in Downtown Fight, police union president says"
And the the local TV stations' have it as the top headline on their websites:
Also, it's not like you found out about it by someone calling you or knocking on your door. This idea that the media isn't covering what happened in Cincinnati over the weekend is dumb.
https://twitter.com/EricLDaugh/status/1949850984907157805?t=2JQkBVIHOB80Dj27zEIQ5A&s=19
https://twitter.com/EricLDaugh/status/1949862052253532335?t=V_mIkxneW2f-A_eAGuHjLQ&s=19
@dbmhoosier there's little to argue with Vance's grandstanding there, but it's a stretch to suggest everyone is worried about taking your family out for a meal in those downtown areas.
That fight broke out late Friday/early Saturday morning. You could argue that you should be able to go out and tie one on and stay out all night without worrying about getting your ass beat, but that's very different than heading downtown for a bit to eat and being back home before 10am.
@ohio-guy armed robbery in my hood at 8pm last week. you don't need to ask the demo of the "suspects"
Anti-racists talk about wanting to have a "difficult conversation about race" all the time. What they usually mean is they want the other side to accede to all their priors and then have a tough discussion about reparations, etc.@dbmhoosier there's little to argue with Vance's grandstanding there, but it's a stretch to suggest everyone is worried about taking your family out for a meal in those downtown areas.
That fight broke out late Friday/early Saturday morning. You could argue that you should be able to go out and tie one on and stay out all night without worrying about getting your ass beat, but that's very different than heading downtown for a bit to eat and being back home before 10am.
I think a tough conversation should be had on these topics, just not in that way. One part of that conversation is the admission that white people who see these things as frightening have to admit that when they see a rowdy crowd of black people around a minority group of white people, they probably instinctually feel fear. They also probably need to admit that if it were a rowdy group of white, Indian, Chinese, or Hispanic people, they wouldn't feel fear to the same degree.
But what people also have to be open to is that that fear might not be based on racism.
@ohio-guy armed robbery in my hood at 8pm last week. you don't need to ask the demo of the "suspects"
I still think that's an outlier and not really all that new. And not really able to be pinned on any one political party. This kind of stuff has been happening in US cities since before anyone reading this was born. This narrative that lax law enforcement is creating some sort of new crime spree in this country just isn't true. It's always been this way to some extent.
Back in August 2001 I was out with a big group of guys bar hoping in downtown Cincinnati. They were just thinking of cleaning up the Over The Rhine area and my friend had a place just north Liberty. I'd argue that OTR was multiple times more dangerous then than it is now. Any way, we're all staying at my friends' place. We walked to the bars and planned on walking back.
Late in the night, my brother gets separated from the group and decides he's going to walk back to my friends' house. We get back there and he's not there. Long story short, he took a wrong turn down the wrong street and gets the shit kicked out of him. He's in the hospital for a few days. Earlier that spring there was a huge race riot after cops shot an unarmed black kid and there was a curfew imposed on the city. As I'm sitting in my brother's hospital room I was reading an article in the Cincinnati Enquirer saying that downtown is much safer again. Didn't seem like it from my perspective, but I digress...
I point all this out to say that inner city crime isn't a new occurrence and isn't something left-leaning politicians directly or indirectly cause. It's more systemic than that. I agree with a lot of your points mentioned in previous posts on this thread. And maybe you're not trying to make this specific point, but I feel like others are - inner city crime isn't some great scourge of society inflicted upon us by Obama or Biden. Or Democratic mayors. I know Cincinnati's current mayor is a Democrat, but Cincinnati and Hamilton County is far from a Democratic, liberal, left-leaning place.
Fixing inner city crime in the US is going to take a lot of what you've mentioned in a few posts above. I'm not hopeful that our current crop of politicians has any real interest in actually taking a hard look at what it'll take to move the needle though.
@ohio-guy no i think there are some constant truths. 1) it's not the fault of either party 2) it's been going on for decades. sometimes better. sometimes worse. but it's a black problem. back out black crime and you really don't have much of a crime problem in the us. violent crime. largely the can just gets kicked. tho these teen takeovers are a quick way to destroy a mall or a downtown gathering place 3) progressives at all levels will only make the problem much, much worse. defund. bail projects. the endless race-baiting. i've said it before we dodged a major major bullet in getting trump elected. harris and walz would be bad bad news. i had hoped winning everything would have served as a clear referendum on progressive politics but unfortunately it seems to only have emboldened the left. i do believe that an AOC presidency would change this country significantly - bad bad stuff
i can only speak for Chicago. I’ve lived here for 25 years. The kind of stuff that has been happening regularly on the el is new in degree and frequency. Same with the occasional downtown mobs. And the car jackings in my area didn’t not exist anywhere near this extent 20 years ago.@ohio-guy armed robbery in my hood at 8pm last week. you don't need to ask the demo of the "suspects"
I still think that's an outlier and not really all that new. And not really able to be pinned on any one political party. This kind of stuff has been happening in US cities since before anyone reading this was born. This narrative that lax law enforcement is creating some sort of new crime spree in this country just isn't true. It's always been this way to some extent.
Back in August 2001 I was out with a big group of guys bar hoping in downtown Cincinnati. They were just thinking of cleaning up the Over The Rhine area and my friend had a place just north Liberty. I'd argue that OTR was multiple times more dangerous then than it is now. Any way, we're all staying at my friends' place. We walked to the bars and planned on walking back.
Late in the night, my brother gets separated from the group and decides he's going to walk back to my friends' house. We get back there and he's not there. Long story short, he took a wrong turn down the wrong street and gets the shit kicked out of him. He's in the hospital for a few days. Earlier that spring there was a huge race riot after cops shot an unarmed black kid and there was a curfew imposed on the city. As I'm sitting in my brother's hospital room I was reading an article in the Cincinnati Enquirer saying that downtown is much safer again. Didn't seem like it from my perspective, but I digress...
I point all this out to say that inner city crime isn't a new occurrence and isn't something left-leaning politicians directly or indirectly cause. It's more systemic than that. I agree with a lot of your points mentioned in previous posts on this thread. And maybe you're not trying to make this specific point, but I feel like others are - inner city crime isn't some great scourge of society inflicted upon us by Obama or Biden. Or Democratic mayors. I know Cincinnati's current mayor is a Democrat, but Cincinnati and Hamilton County is far from a Democratic, liberal, left-leaning place.
Fixing inner city crime in the US is going to take a lot of what you've mentioned in a few posts above. I'm not hopeful that our current crop of politicians has any real interest in actually taking a hard look at what it'll take to move the needle though.
But yes, the violence in the worst neighborhoods is still the same.
But what people also have to be open to is that that fear might not be based on racism.
I agree with this. I do think people use that fear for political purposes and that doesn't help matters. At all.
Why is the media not covering this? You know if the roles were reversed there would be nonstop coverage. Absolutely disgusting. And any person stupid enough to be living in a city needs to be carrying at all times.
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1949578170035994857?t=5ruD6s0rQydRtblmHu7LDA&s=19
Can't let a tragedy go by without trying to play politics with it eh?
i can only speak for Chicago. I’ve lived here for 25 years. The kind of stuff that has been happening regularly on the el is new in degree and frequency. Same with the occasional downtown mobs. And the car jackings in my area didn’t not exist anywhere near this extent 20 years ago.
But yes, the violence in the worst neighborhoods is still the same.
I definitely think there is room for stricter, more prevalent law enforcement. I also think the common sense rules my dad told me when I was going to college in Cincinnati should still apply and could help curb stuff like we saw in Cincinnati. Always know your surroundings and stay away from bad neighborhoods - especially after midnight.
Why is the media not covering this? You know if the roles were reversed there would be nonstop coverage. Absolutely disgusting. And any person stupid enough to be living in a city needs to be carrying at all times.
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1949578170035994857?t=5ruD6s0rQydRtblmHu7LDA&s=19
Can't let a tragedy go by without trying to play politics with it eh?
I'll remember you said that next time there is a mass shooting somewhere.
Why is the media not covering this? You know if the roles were reversed there would be nonstop coverage. Absolutely disgusting. And any person stupid enough to be living in a city needs to be carrying at all times.
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1949578170035994857?t=5ruD6s0rQydRtblmHu7LDA&s=19
Can't let a tragedy go by without trying to play politics with it eh?
I'll remember you said that next time there is a mass shooting somewhere.
Go for it.
Most of the time would be just to make fun of the "thoughts and prayers" by politicians who apparently have nothing else to offer but looser gun laws. Not going to see me assume nefarious intent due to lack of coverage.
@ohio-guy it's just a black thing. just the way it is. as a group they are much more violent. acknowledging is acknowledging reality. tho the woke will cry racism. it's insane. doesn't mean you wouldn't marry a black person. hire a black person. have blacks among your very closest friends.
STL city. half black half white. i just looked it up. 65 murders so far (light year). 60 suspects are black. 1 suspect is white. the most dangerous city in america is only that way because of blacks. car jackings. forget it. assaults on the trains. all black. they've destroyed our public transportation system. we can't do defund. we can't do bail projects. we can't do the blm george floyd politics. it's not reality
@ohio-guy Fact: There was no mention of the altercation in the Cincinnati Enquirer newspaper on-line editions for Saturday, 7/26, Sunday, 7/27 and today, Monday, 7/28. This would accurately be described as the paper’s primary method of disseminating the news, the local physical paper and the on-line morning, main edition, a copy of the delivered paper.
A “post” on the Enquirer’s “tab” hardly qualifies. The local TV stations also post on Facebook and X, and that hardly qualifies as their main method of covering the news. The broadcasts are the main vehicle.
I found out about this “event” later Saturday morning by reading several posts, with the video, on both X and Facebook.
What I would call the primary news sources in the local community have failed to cover this as one would expect given the national and international attention this has received. As stated earlier, we had two TVs on Sunday evening, at 1800 hours, tuned to different stations, NBC and ABC affiliates, and both reported on this as their third story, behind weather and puff pieces about Dave Parker’s HOF induction and Shemar Stewart’s first NFL practice after being the last first-round pick to sign a contract. Important stuff, that.
It appears that the local media have had to be dragged and embarrassed into covering this. I would contend that this is because they have long been collaborators with the local Democrat machine to hide and distort the crime issues downtown and in OTR.
That’s what I’m talking about.
Can anyone here play this game?