Matthew Dowd reacted in real time. His immediate reaction was to say Kirk was partly to blame for being "divisive." Dowd is relatively reasonable compared to the radicals. I think his response was much more indicative of what's going on on the left than the video clips of mentally ill people celebrating.@bradstevens when it comes to politics 1) we don’t want the same things and 2) we don’t like each other.
compromise going fwd will be very difficult
@bradstevens he was dumb to even imply he was partly to blame in any fashion. Nobody should be gunned down for what they believe or say.
To do it on national television, he should have been much more careful with his words because they do have real meaning when being broadcast to millions of people.
Matthew Dowd reacted in real time. His immediate reaction was to say Kirk was partly to blame for being "divisive." Dowd is relatively reasonable compared to the radicals. I think his response was much more indicative of what's going on on the left than the video clips of mentally ill people celebrating.@bradstevens when it comes to politics 1) we don’t want the same things and 2) we don’t like each other.
compromise going fwd will be very difficult
I think we’re kinda playing word games here. We all seem to agree that over-the-top partisan rhetoric is part of what’s triggering these deranged dudes but it’s out of bounds to draw a line straight back to source of said rhetoric?
I'm not playing games. A lot of people on the left believe that words=violence. A lot of people on the left think standard right wing fare is evil and =violence. A lot of people on the left believe Kirk and Trump were Nazis or fascists. So, a lot of people on the left think Kirk, in some part, deserved his death (whether that death be from a groyper or a lefty). Apparently, you agree with this line of argument.Matthew Dowd reacted in real time. His immediate reaction was to say Kirk was partly to blame for being "divisive." Dowd is relatively reasonable compared to the radicals. I think his response was much more indicative of what's going on on the left than the video clips of mentally ill people celebrating.@bradstevens when it comes to politics 1) we don’t want the same things and 2) we don’t like each other.
compromise going fwd will be very difficult
I think we’re kinda playing word games here. We all seem to agree that over-the-top partisan rhetoric is part of what’s triggering these deranged dudes but it’s out of bounds to draw a line straight back to source of said rhetoric?
If Kirk had been promoting violence against others for their speech, then fine, bring this up (even if it is in poor taste in the immediate aftermath). But that's not what he ever did. He pretty explicitly said the opposite, as a matter of fact.
@mapletom @bradstevens over the top rhetoric is definitely part of it, clearly, but damn these message boards they get on must be really bad. Culpable too. Honestly we just witnessed this in real time.
raja Jackson had that incident with the Indy wrestler. Wrestler thought it was part of the act. That beef. Squashed. Misunderstanding. All good. Then between the time of the initial incident and the attack all the posters on his stream he was interacting with pumped him full of anger until he acted. “REAL SHIT!!!!!!!!!”
now imagine the confirmation bias. Goating. Clout chasing that comes from these dark websites and feeds these weak-minded kids and people.
these politicians and media types and celebs are dogshit, of course, but these platforms. Bad news. And last I looked as third party publishers are largely immune
https://twitter.com/ShadowofEzra/status/1967787454158844261
Who decides what is constituted as hate speech? This is really dangerous. IMO.
https://twitter.com/ShadowofEzra/status/1967787454158844261
Who decides what is constituted as hate speech? This is really dangerous. IMO.
She is not very bright.
I agree. Most hate speech is protected by 1A. But the left has been pushing this (development of hate speech laws) for decades.https://twitter.com/ShadowofEzra/status/1967787454158844261
Who decides what is constituted as hate speech? This is really dangerous. IMO.
Yeah, she just gave some good evidence to use in future lawsuits.https://twitter.com/ShadowofEzra/status/1967787454158844261
Who decides what is constituted as hate speech? This is really dangerous. IMO.
She is not very bright.
I agree. Most hate speech is protected by 1A. But the left has been pushing this (development of hate speech laws) for decades.https://twitter.com/ShadowofEzra/status/1967787454158844261
Who decides what is constituted as hate speech? This is really dangerous. IMO.
Well, the dems who think this would be okay are a big bunch of dummies.
They would think it OK if it were their guy going after speech they don't like.I agree. Most hate speech is protected by 1A. But the left has been pushing this (development of hate speech laws) for decades.https://twitter.com/ShadowofEzra/status/1967787454158844261
Who decides what is constituted as hate speech? This is really dangerous. IMO.
Well, the dems who think this would be okay are a big bunch of dummies.
They would think it OK if it were their guy going after speech they don't like.I agree. Most hate speech is protected by 1A. But the left has been pushing this (development of hate speech laws) for decades.https://twitter.com/ShadowofEzra/status/1967787454158844261
Who decides what is constituted as hate speech? This is really dangerous. IMO.
Well, the dems who think this would be okay are a big bunch of dummies.
This George Zinn guy still seems suspicious...and evidently likes child porn.
https://twitter.com/DonaldSam/status/1968030833882943494
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