@scam-likely he has shot one three this year. I was told he was going to stretch the floor. If he doesn’t shoot threes he is not going to add any value.
Fwiw he's drawing fouls at a fairly good rate, sets good screens, and passes well while making very few mistakes. He has almost 4 to 1 ass/to ratio.
My complaints on him are .. finishing, rebounding and keeping the ball in his hands. All strength related. He really needs to finish his opportunities and rebound much better.
Yeah he also needs to shoot more jumpers but we really don't run much for him to get the opportunity.
I'm not sold on him being a starter either, but he adds value in other ways. Like to see Alexis and Sisley get more chances and him and Enright play less.
What we need to do is fix whatever has been wrong with Wilkerson. If he doesn't show up soon we are in trouble. TD will get his most nights. But if LW is off the reservation we will stack L's
@scam-likely I totally agree we should be starting Alexis and Trent and CE And Bailey can come off the bench. They both are not starting big ten material. Bailey does decent against garbage, but it is real easy to tell he is going to get crushed against the bigger athletic guys in the big ten.
After recent games I read this thread title of doing damage in the B1g, and think yeah, damage to the image of the big ten being a physical league.
Alexis will just have to stay healthy and not foul out. Maybe he can play a ton of minutes.
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Sisley and Alexis should be starting
@hoosiers94 Trent is a no brainer, he is a freshmen and has potential out the Wazoo. He could be our third best player by March.
@iusports4thewin such a weird take. IU has played one team with a pulse and destroyed them on a neutral site. How about they play KSU, L'ville and UK before you decide how they look?
And I'm guessing you haven't been to a game or watched all the games.
@hoosiers94 In looking at his history prior to IU... it looks like consistency is an issue for Bailey. Last year, in the games against high majors and/or NCAA tournament caliber opponents, he averaged roughly 15 and 6. But that came with games like 19 and 11 versus Providence on the good side, and 6 and 4 against VCU on the bad side. I think we're seeing that inconsistency so far, as well.
Its way to early to tell if Bailey's issues are that he "just isn't good enough" against B10 level teams, or if he's just not consistent in his effort and production. CDD's lack of trust in Bailey, later in games, leads me to believe he probably still has consistency issues.
Seems like he and Alexis are almost auditioning during the first 1/2 to 2/3 of the game for who is gonna finish the game, and in 3 out of the 5 games, Alexis has been better all around than Bailey has been.
I'll remember these calls from you and Cav... and right now, I'm probably closer to eating crow, than I am calling you guys out. The main problem I have though, we're a top 30 analytics team. That isn't the end all, be all, in judging how good a team is. But it is notable. And there's ZERO question Bailey is a big contributor to our efficiency metrics, being one of our more efficient players, on both ends of the floor. And how he plays, and how solid he is playing away from the basket, contributes to that. You guys focus is way too narrow on his impact, in my opinion.
Bailey, and CDD, need to figure out how he can be more consistent though. He can't be a 15 minute, can't play in crunch time, type of player...like he has the last couple games. But if history is any sort of indicator, that isn't the type of player he'll be, all the time.
@hoosiers94 In looking at his history prior to IU... it looks like consistency is an issue for Bailey. Last year, in the games against high majors and/or NCAA tournament caliber opponents, he averaged roughly 15 and 6. But that came with games like 19 and 11 versus Providence on the good side, and 6 and 4 against VCU on the bad side. I think we're seeing that inconsistency so far, as well.
Its way to early to tell if Bailey's issues are that he "just isn't good enough" against B10 level teams, or if he's just not consistent in his effort and production. CDD's lack of trust in Bailey, later in games, leads me to believe he probably still has consistency issues.
Seems like he and Alexis are almost auditioning during the first 1/2 to 2/3 of the game for who is gonna finish the game, and in 3 out of the 5 games, Alexis has been better all around than Bailey has been.
I'll remember these calls from you and Cav... and right now, I'm probably closer to eating crow, than I am calling you guys out. The main problem I have though, we're a top 30 analytics team. That isn't the end all, be all, in judging how good a team is. But it is notable. And there's ZERO question Bailey is a big contributor to our efficiency metrics, being one of our more efficient players, on both ends of the floor. And how he plays, and how solid he is playing away from the basket, contributes to that. You guys focus is way too narrow on his impact, in my opinion.
Bailey, and CDD, need to figure out how he can be more consistent though. He can't be a 15 minute, can't play in crunch time, type of player...like he has the last couple games. But if history is any sort of indicator, that isn't the type of player he'll be, all the time.
I can look at metrics, I understand them , I understand why they are used today. They prevalent on my son's team ... he's 15. But there's a lost art to me of an eye test, or an aura test. How his teammates react or rely on him or don't. How he engages the "enemy" , how he reacts to success or failure. I don't see total weed here but something doesn't smell right to me. Can it be changed ,,, big IF in my book. Have a I seen a huge volume of work .. no but sometimes it doesn't take that much to tell. I don't care if it was Lindenwood etc , all of these guys have something to prove .. a year ago they were all mid major players. If it was me... I'd be busting it every minute. Now I don't feel his effort has been piss poor it's his ability execute and then stay engaged. Little things , how his rises up with the ball close to the basket going up for a shot. How he glides without force. He seems a bit fairy like. No insult intended to him just trying to describe what I see. His block out technique seems tentative. He leads his body when contesting with a little hesitation to me which seems like he's afraid or knows he won't succeed so tries to avoid some contact.
so seeing this stuff , I throw the stats and metrics away because like a soldier who's good at the range but can't load their weapon on the battlefield ... I don't need them.
they scare me
my two cents .., appreciate your candor and seeing our point of view . Sounds like you played a lot of ball so did I , and I've been coaching AAU for about 10 years now So I'm not green when it comes to analyzing this stuff and sounds like you aren't either
in a perfect world I'd love for him to be our ace in the hole but I just done see it not that I don't like the kid... don't know him, not that I don't want the team to succeed.. quite the contrary I'm tired of mediocrity
@hoosiers94 Worried about it too. Just trying to pry in the things he has done very well. Sometimes a big switching on to a guard, and that not leading to them having an advantage, is a huge difference in how the game goes. Sometimes having a big as an outlet in your offense, a place to insert the ball to, and then having that big with the ability to effectively pass it on to a shooter, that can have a huge impact.
He can't be just those things though, long term, and be a guy that can help us beat good B10 teams. He has to be consistently more. He's shown he can be more. But he's also shown he can't.
I don't like inconsistency. So it bothers me too. But I do like his potential.
He's playing much better in the second half. Got to have that for 40 night in and night out
@hoosiers94 once again, not Bailey's fault that CDD didn't find another dog underneath to rebound, defend the paint and occupy the other teams 5. Bailey is not, and never has been that guy and if we had a guy like that to add into the mix, I think it could really unleash Bailey. He's the best ball-handling and passing big we've had, probably since Jeffries. Maybe I'm forgetting someone, but he's got a really good skill set.
I'm with IUN, hard for me to understand how CDD couldn't convince Hansberry to come to IU with him vs VA Tech. But, I'd guess there was something there that one of them didn't like. And, didn't need to be him or even a star, just someone rugged who would defend and rebound. Otherwise, I think CDD put together a really good and multi-skilled roster.
i think there is a big difference in bailey not being able to play at this level and bailey not being a center and having to play center because iu has 2 bigs total.
i think that's where i differ from many on bailey.
and iu probably doesn't win that game last night without hustle and offense from enright in the first half and bailey in the second.
@iureactionary Tucker is an insanely smart player. He dint push it at all. He would have if needed. KSU sucked last night, PJ did not try until the second half. No idea what he was doing in the first half. Their coach is a joke as well.
i think there is a big difference in bailey not being able to play at this level and bailey not being a center and having to play center because iu has 2 bigs total.
Thank you, glad there is someone else on board in not blaming Bailey because of the situation. I don't even like blaming CDD, 1) because he had to get an entirely new roster and overall I really like the guys he's gotten, and 2) we're still undefeated, so it hasn't hampered us... so far, but I think we're going to run into rosters who can defend better and then will beat us inside. It's also critically thin inside if we have injuries or foul trouble. But, I didn't expect this to be a championship team. Happy if we have a season like Lville last year and that sets the table for better future success as it has with them and UM.