I suppose 10-10 + 1 BTT win could do it if there are no bid stealers or late movers. But I'm still stuck on the fact that IU has only two Q1 wins and often gets hammered by good opponents. Moreover, not all 10-10s are created equal; a .500 record with a recent home loss to NW and 2.5 blowouts (I consider MSU a semi-blowout) is bad news.@gthomas We're still on the bubble. Somehow with a chance to play ourselves on the right side of it with a couple wins. At this point, while I wouldn't really deem it a huge success... I just want to see their name on Selection Sunday again, damn it! So weak bubble, stumbling in the back door, don't really care. Get these last 2, and make the tourney... no matter the situation, the ramifications, its always more fun when IU makes it. And I really do think they'll make it if they figure out how to win these last 2 games. And many bracketologists seem to agree with that.
In any case, it seems most agree that both Minnesota and OSU are truly must wins. It's possible, but, given the last few weeks, I'm not optimistic. Minnesota is a tough out, and OSU is balling right now. Plus, IU has known for a while they're on the Bubble, yet they don't seem to play with do-or-die urgency. I know they're trying, but you can't just disappear when playing for your tourney lives.
And just to be clear, I'm not rooting for IU to miss the NCAAT. I'm just less confident than most, especially considering the last four games.
OSU looked like a S16 team yesterday. Senior day in Columbus means we're going to get throttled.
That seems to be the trend against good teams on the road.I suppose 10-10 + 1 BTT win could do it if there are no bid stealers or late movers. But I'm still stuck on the fact that IU has only two Q1 wins and often gets hammered by good opponents. Moreover, not all 10-10s are created equal; a .500 record with a recent home loss to NW and 2.5 blowouts (I consider MSU a semi-blowout) is bad news.@gthomas We're still on the bubble. Somehow with a chance to play ourselves on the right side of it with a couple wins. At this point, while I wouldn't really deem it a huge success... I just want to see their name on Selection Sunday again, damn it! So weak bubble, stumbling in the back door, don't really care. Get these last 2, and make the tourney... no matter the situation, the ramifications, its always more fun when IU makes it. And I really do think they'll make it if they figure out how to win these last 2 games. And many bracketologists seem to agree with that.
In any case, it seems most agree that both Minnesota and OSU are truly must wins. It's possible, but, given the last few weeks, I'm not optimistic. Minnesota is a tough out, and OSU is balling right now. Plus, IU has known for a while they're on the Bubble, yet they don't seem to play with do-or-die urgency. I know they're trying, but you can't just disappear when playing for your tourney lives.
And just to be clear, I'm not rooting for IU to miss the NCAAT. I'm just less confident than most, especially considering the last four games.
OSU looked like a S16 team yesterday. Senior day in Columbus means we're going to get throttled.
Being mathematically still alive is starkly different than reality. We have no chance of beating OSU. Minnesota yes I could see that.
9-11 is the minimum B10 regular season record to get an at large, in my opinion.
Once that is established:
3 or more wins from either regular season, and/or BTT, and we'll get an at large. Even if its 1 regular season, and 2 BTT wins.
2 wins and I think it gets pretty dicey, and could get bumped from bid stealers.
1 win and we don't make it.
All I have to say is if you can go 9-11 and made the NCAA tourney we should be making it every single season. That is not a very high bar at all its like going 3-5 in the big ten and going to the motor city bowl. Yet we still have only gone like two times in ten years which is honestly just pathetic
Yep.Being mathematically still alive is starkly different than reality. We have no chance of beating OSU. Minnesota yes I could see that.
Technically no team in the country has been eliminated yet, so I guess IU has that going for them.
If Minnesota wins Wednesday, they'll be tied with IU at 8-11. If that happens, it's possible the Hoosiers finish as low as 12th.
When the hell is IU going to open the f---ing checkbook and finally bring in a high-level coach? If they have to overpay, then overpay ... it would pay off in the long run. Ffs, IU was at such a low point after the Archie and Woody eras that this hire was critical ... and they bring in DeVries?
No, I'm not calling for DD to get fired after Year 1; I just think IU needs to behave like a Blue Bood (even though they're longer one). It seems like the powers-that-be are cool with being a Bubble team every year. It truly does.
If Minnesota wins Wednesday, they'll be tied with IU at 8-11. If that happens, it's possible the Hoosiers finish as low as 12th.
When the hell is IU going to open the f---ing checkbook and finally bring in a high-level coach? If they have to overpay, then overpay ... it would pay off in the long run. Ffs, IU was at such a low point after the Archie and Woody eras that this hire was critical ... and they bring in DeVries?
No, I'm not calling for DD to get fired after Year 1; I just think IU needs to behave like a Blue Bood (even though they're longer one). It seems like the powers-that-be are cool with being a Bubble team every year. It truly does.
I mean IU isn't really doing anything different than the blue bloods.
UK - Pope
UofL - Kelsey
UCLA - Cronin (who was their 10th choice)
Kansas (hasn't had to deal with this in 20 years)
Duke/UNC hired hand-picked assistants
No blue blood has made any kind of hiring splash in ages.
You're right, I should quit bitching about the hire. It was probably the best IU could do, which is more depressing than the hire itself.If Minnesota wins Wednesday, they'll be tied with IU at 8-11. If that happens, it's possible the Hoosiers finish as low as 12th.
When the hell is IU going to open the f---ing checkbook and finally bring in a high-level coach? If they have to overpay, then overpay ... it would pay off in the long run. Ffs, IU was at such a low point after the Archie and Woody eras that this hire was critical ... and they bring in DeVries?
No, I'm not calling for DD to get fired after Year 1; I just think IU needs to behave like a Blue Bood (even though they're longer one). It seems like the powers-that-be are cool with being a Bubble team every year. It truly does.
I mean IU isn't really doing anything different than the blue bloods.
UK - Pope
UofL - Kelsey
UCLA - Cronin (who was their 10th choice)
Kansas (hasn't had to deal with this in 20 years)
Duke/UNC hired hand-picked assistants
No blue blood has made any kind of hiring splash in ages.
Fwiw...
"Currently Indiana is ranked No. 41 in the NET after opening No. 11 in early December. The No. 41 team on Selection Sunday last year was a 17-15 Ohio State team that was left out of the NCAA Tournament."
Wilkerson said in an interview after a win, that the reason the team was on a win streak was we wanted to play the best basketball nearer the tournament, not in December.
Maybe those net ratings have the dates swapped.
You're right, I should quit bitching about the hire. It was probably the best IU could do, which is more depressing than the hire itself.If Minnesota wins Wednesday, they'll be tied with IU at 8-11. If that happens, it's possible the Hoosiers finish as low as 12th.
When the hell is IU going to open the f---ing checkbook and finally bring in a high-level coach? If they have to overpay, then overpay ... it would pay off in the long run. Ffs, IU was at such a low point after the Archie and Woody eras that this hire was critical ... and they bring in DeVries?
No, I'm not calling for DD to get fired after Year 1; I just think IU needs to behave like a Blue Bood (even though they're longer one). It seems like the powers-that-be are cool with being a Bubble team every year. It truly does.
I mean IU isn't really doing anything different than the blue bloods.
UK - Pope
UofL - Kelsey
UCLA - Cronin (who was their 10th choice)
Kansas (hasn't had to deal with this in 20 years)
Duke/UNC hired hand-picked assistants
No blue blood has made any kind of hiring splash in ages.
It may have been a miss, but I think the calibre of what IU can draw in today's market isn't want many want to hope it is. No programs are landing big fish now. With portal/nil its much easier to win at somewhere with less pressure.
Our best hopes are guys with ties to IU (we already missed this boat with May) or an up-and-comer that pans out. Or a retread like Will Wade who I believe had some support here and other boards (although I'd not call what he's doing at NC St all that impressive lately).
A sure-fire, can't miss PROVEN guy seems unrealistic right now.
That said, I find it hard to believe that IU can hire 30 straight coaches and not get it right eventually. Even if not elite, we should be able to be a Wisconsin-esque program at worst.
He's a good coach, but I'm glad he's not at IU. Seems shady to me.Or a retread like Will Wade
I can't deny that you make good points about the difficulty of landing a big fish, but I would have liked to see IU try. Maybe they did, but it seems like DD was the guy all along.
He's a good coach, but I'm glad he's not at IU. Seems shady to me.Or a retread like Will Wade
I can't deny that you make good points about the difficulty of landing a big fish, but I would have liked to see IU try. Maybe they did, but it seems like DD was the guy all along.
I think the problem here is its unlikely you'd know outside of what most insiders were saying. We hired a search firm and back-channeled coaches, that can't really be denied. I don't understand this idea that Dolson just picked DDV years ago and thats that. He may not be some savant AD but I don't think he's that foolish. We definitely kicked the tires on pie in the sky guys like Stevens. Most thought we did backchannel guys like Otz, etc.
We also just saw tons of major programs have openings. Programs who are more successful than IU and none of them could land big fish and they tried.
If Minnesota wins Wednesday, they'll be tied with IU at 8-11. If that happens, it's possible the Hoosiers finish as low as 12th.
When the hell is IU going to open the f---ing checkbook and finally bring in a high-level coach? If they have to overpay, then overpay ... it would pay off in the long run. Ffs, IU was at such a low point after the Archie and Woody eras that this hire was critical ... and they bring in DeVries?
No, I'm not calling for DD to get fired after Year 1; I just think IU needs to behave like a Blue Bood (even though they're longer one). It seems like the powers-that-be are cool with being a Bubble team every year. It truly does.
I am not calling for him to be fired either because what is the point honestly. They are unwilling to pay the really big bucks to get a high level coach so they would likely just hire another DD or Archie anyway. We were at a pretty low point after archie also and brought in Woodson. We get excited on every new coaching search and then they hire duds. Its rinse and repeat. Do I think DD can be a middle of the pack big ten coach? Yes I think he can get you like 22-12 some years and like a 7 seed maybe sometimes. But I think that is likely the ceiling and at this point that is all IU is. I think they gave up on trying to be blue blood long ago. I just read Michigan State has been to 28 straight NCAA tourneys. Depressing.
Two things. First, it's quite possible Stevens didn't get a call. I don't know for sure, of course, but I wouldn't be surprised if his "no" in 2021 was an eternal "no." He has a great gig with a storied NBA franchise; it wouldn't make sense to leave for IU or any other college program ... and he may have no desire to return to coaching.We definitely kicked the tires on pie in the sky guys like Stevens. Most thought we did backchannel guys like Otz
As for Otz, no thank you. I may think DD is meh, but Otz is MEH.
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