When Cignetti was building his initial roster he mentioned the importance of effectively using all available time. The man and his staff worked feverishly to build a roster. I'd expect Carr to be involved in a similar work schedule. Not to minimize the difficulty but one plus is basketball roster builders don't need to fill as many spots as do the football people. Several weeks prior to the opening of the portal on April 7, Carr and the IU staff should have a good idea on how many players they will need to add. The initial roster built under Carr will be closely scrutinized and compared closely to the current one.
The basketball community has many fine endorsements for Carr. I'll wait to evaluate him after he's been in the job for a year or two.
I'll give him one year
@gros-louis Ok, what exactly were his responsibilities and what specifically do people praise him for?
I know he rarely plays, but why not take a flyer on that 7'9" guy from Florida if he hits the Portal? Even if he doesn't see the court much, everyone loves a carnival act ... and he'd be inexpensive by NIL standards.
The number of people who think they can evaluate Carr based on some draft picks that he may/may not have advocated for, is hilarious. There's much more that went into his job and he's widely respected to have been very good at that job.
We have little else to go on. And isn't results what it is about? Why shouldn't the person in charge of drafts be evaluated by those results?
Being widely respected and being wildly successful isn't always the same thing
The number of people who think they can evaluate Carr based on some draft picks that he may/may not have advocated for, is hilarious. There's much more that went into his job and he's widely respected to have been very good at that job.
We have little else to go on. And isn't results what it is about? Why shouldn't the person in charge of drafts be evaluated by those results?
Being widely respected and being wildly successful isn't always the same thing
This isn't that tough, guys. In the NBA, there are 3 ways to acquire players. The draft, trades and free agency. And they all have to work within the confines of their salary cap.
I don't follow the NBA, but people who I know who do and/or are Pacers fans, have suggested the Pacers have done very well in those areas. Perfect? No one is. Very well? Seems like that's the case with the Pacers. And a lot of it comes down to scouting and evaluating talent, which is what Carr's career started with doing.
The number of people who think they can evaluate Carr based on some draft picks that he may/may not have advocated for, is hilarious. There's much more that went into his job and he's widely respected to have been very good at that job.
We have little else to go on. And isn't results what it is about? Why shouldn't the person in charge of drafts be evaluated by those results?
Being widely respected and being wildly successful isn't always the same thing
This isn't that tough, guys. In the NBA, there are 3 ways to acquire players. The draft, trades and free agency. And they all have to work within the confines of their salary cap.
I don't follow the NBA, but people who I know who do and/or are Pacers fans, have suggested the Pacers have done very well in those areas. Perfect? No one is. Very well? Seems like that's the case with the Pacers. And a lot of it comes down to scouting and evaluating talent, which is what Carr's career started with doing.
I don't think anyone tries to draft poorly just because there is a salary cap.
I would say Pacers draft poorly but are above average to good with trades. FA signings are few and far between other than filling out the roster. I think David West was a FA signing back in the day. Not thinking of any other big ones.
Pacers have made quit a few crazy drafting decisions over the years....arguably as bad if not worse than Ballard drafting based on RAS scores. Which doesn't look well on the person scouting and evaluating talent. Of course, we don't know his input was being overruled by the higher ups.
We all expect a better roster next year - and I think the guys coming in, along with Sisley, will already be a boost as these guys are high major prospects. The thing we all need to see is, who actually goes in the portal? It could be a great portal group. or, another average one where the Dukes, Alabamas, Arkanas, etc are all bidding/fighting for the same top 10 guys - IU aint beating any of those for portal guys, financially or by attraction.
The number of people who think they can evaluate Carr based on some draft picks that he may/may not have advocated for, is hilarious. There's much more that went into his job and he's widely respected to have been very good at that job.
We have little else to go on. And isn't results what it is about? Why shouldn't the person in charge of drafts be evaluated by those results?
Being widely respected and being wildly successful isn't always the same thing
This isn't that tough, guys. In the NBA, there are 3 ways to acquire players. The draft, trades and free agency. And they all have to work within the confines of their salary cap.
I don't follow the NBA, but people who I know who do and/or are Pacers fans, have suggested the Pacers have done very well in those areas. Perfect? No one is. Very well? Seems like that's the case with the Pacers. And a lot of it comes down to scouting and evaluating talent, which is what Carr's career started with doing.
I don't think anyone tries to draft poorly just because there is a salary cap.
I would say Pacers draft poorly but are above average to good with trades. FA signings are few and far between other than filling out the roster. I think David West was a FA signing back in the day. Not thinking of any other big ones.
Pacers have made quit a few crazy drafting decisions over the years....arguably as bad if not worse than Ballard drafting based on RAS scores. Which doesn't look well on the person scouting and evaluating talent. Of course, we don't know his input was being overruled by the higher ups.
Gemini:
The Home Runs (Draft & Personnel)
These are the picks and moves where Carr’s scouting department found elite value, often identifying stars where other teams saw role players.
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Paul George (2010, #10 overall): Perhaps the crown jewel of the era. Carr was a key part of the scouting team that identified George’s star potential at Fresno State when many viewed him as a "project."
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Danny Granger (2005, #17 overall): Finding a future All-Star and 25-PPG scorer at pick 17 is considered a massive "hit" in NBA front offices.
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Myles Turner (2015, #11 overall): Turner was a "polarizing" prospect due to his running gait and raw offensive game. Carr’s staff stuck to their evaluation, and Turner became the franchise's all-time blocks leader and a decade-long starter.
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Andrew Nembhard (2022, #31 overall): A masterclass in second-round scouting. Nembhard was a "home run" value pick who played like a lottery talent immediately, becoming a starter for a team that reached the Eastern Conference Finals.
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Bennedict Mathurin (2022, #6 overall): One of the few times the Pacers had a high pick, they nailed it with an All-Rookie talent.
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The "Core" Trades (Haliburton & Siakam): As Senior VP, Carr assisted in the high-level evaluations that led the Pacers to trade for Tyrese Haliburton (now a perennial All-Star) and Pascal Siakam, moves that transformed the team into the 2025 Eastern Conference Champions.
The Busts (Draft Misses)
No scout has a perfect record over 20 years. These picks either didn't develop or were "reaches" that failed to contribute.
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Chris Duarte (2021, #13 overall): Drafted as a "ready-now" older prospect, Duarte had a strong rookie year but fell off quickly and was eventually traded for minimal return.
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Goga Bitadze (2019, #18 overall): While a serviceable NBA player, he never fit the Pacers' system and was stuck behind Turner and Sabonis. Taking a center when the team already had two starters at that position is often cited as a "process" miss.
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T.J. Leaf (2017, #18 overall): Perhaps the most stinging miss of the decade, as Leaf struggled to stay in the rotation while players like John Collins and OG Anunoby were still on the board.
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Solomon Hill (2013, #23 overall): A "reach" pick that never quite developed the offensive game needed to justify a first-round selection, though he did become a journeyman defender.
We all expect a better roster next year - and I think the guys coming in, along with Sisley, will already be a boost as these guys are high major prospects. The thing we all need to see is, who actually goes in the portal? It could be a great portal group. or, another average one where the Dukes, Alabamas, Arkanas, etc are all bidding/fighting for the same top 10 guys - IU aint beating any of those for portal guys, financially or by attraction.
While the expectations for next year need to be for a much better season will the results actually be any better? That is hard to say because we really return nothing. Something like 84% of are points will graduate. So it will all come down to landing a killer portal class and hoping a few of the new frosh can play right away.
@dbmhoosier I have to assume that the Carr hiring will increase the potential of Devries getting the recruits that he wants and not the ones that Carr wants. I just hope he doesn't want a team like we have now, and I have cut him a lot of slack for having to construct a team from 2025 portal leftovers.
Im looking forward to the Freshman, along with Sisley, Ristic. Will make a fair base.
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They only car/Carr I want to see at IU is one that takes DD far away Bloomington.
Did I mention I have a degree in Advanced Smartassery?
Did I mention I have a degree in Advanced Smartassery?
Well, you have the second part down pat.The first not so much.
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