If the team was 15-3 instead of 12-6 I doubt if we'd see as many personality attacks on DeVries. At this juncture of the DeVries era I'd rate his personality and interviews above those we suffered through with Miller and Woodson. Ultimately I don't care about his personality. I want to see a team that plays winning basketball. The roster construction DeVries put together is seriously flawed and for a senior dominated squad the errors made on the court are unforgiveable. I've been dissatisfied with the lack of on-court game coaching adjustments from a man that receives plaudits on coaching prowess from his peers. From season start, team play has not improved and many times IU looks like a disorganized rec team. Getting owned by a mediocre but far better coached Iowa team on your home court is something that should not happen. Initially troubling was that other than his son, not one West Virginia player or high school recruit followed him to Indiana. Recruiting for the 2026 high school class has been somewhat underwhelming. Reality is IU administration will give DeVries at least 1 more season and likely two to figure out how to be successful. Going into the Big 10 Tournament this team may well have one of those 16-15 or 17-14 records IU fans have seen too many times over the last few decades.
If the team was 15-3 that would mean many or most of your concerns on the team would not exist or be regularly minimized by solid team play. And if we saw these things, we'd view his personality as being a good motivator of young men. But just in a quiet way.
We don't see those winning efforts, yet, so he is viewed differently.
I'm sure his personality is fine. But his motivation or teaching methods don't seem to be reaching this group.
Although, at Michigan State, our boxing out at least was light years above the earlier season. So there's that.
I doubt anyone really thinks DK will be booted after one year. I think many, including myself, know how this will end, so we're simply ticked IU will essentially have a lame-duck coach for at least two more seasons ... and we'll have to go through the same shit yet again.
I understand the hopes and dreams, but DK isn't the guy. He'll have some good moments--and may even enjoy some modicum of success--but this regime will end like the others. Therefore, we, as fans, are stuck in limbo until the admin finally gets this right ... if it ever does.
Maybe I'm a fair weather fan, but I'd rather just see losses pile up so this can end as soon as possible. It's early, I know, but DK is a whiff. And, if I want to stick with the golf analogy, I could say IU has the yips when it comes to hiring basketball coaches.
Bingo we know he gets three years and the ceiling is probably ncaa bubble and maybe one tourney win max. We know how it ends yet we have to sit through three years of it
I don't know about 3 but anybody thinking 1 year is living in a fantasy. Way too expensive to do that. Football is bringing in the cash now. BB is only a fraction of what that entails. Most ppl will never give up their season tickets either to avoid losing their spots, so regardless of actual attendance, things aren't that dire for the university to ok 30 million to get rid of a first year coach (even if they wanted to, which i'm doubt is the case).
@openwheel Yes, something definitely amiss with getting through to the players. It's a dramatic tale of Two Cities when you look at how an IU football team with 100+ members responds with a unified message and compare that with the dysfunctionality of the basketball team.
@openwheel Yes, something definitely amiss with getting through to the players. It's a dramatic tale of Two Cities when you look at how an IU football team with 100+ members responds with a unified message and compare that with the dysfunctionality of the basketball team.
Im just glad we got a football game tonight. Because starting tomorrow football is over and the focus will be on this bbal team. And I highly doubt the game at Michigan goes well.
Look at this roster to start ... just because someone won league mvp in the sun belt doesn't mean they translate to big ten ball
Lamar.. decent. Streaky. Somewhat consistemt but not enough. Can't get separation against good teams or disciplined teams or players with reach. Limited he's a role player when the others are doubled he knocks it down. We don't have anyone who should be doubled
Tucker : slow as molasses in January. poor decision maker. Disappears every game for several minutes if not entire halves
Connerway: inconsistent and weak. Strength to get through traffic consistently whether to dish or finish. Good one game terrible the next. Hair makes him looks like a stoner which maybe he is and that explains a lot.
Bailey: weak. Tissue weak. Would not recruit that kind even to my sons AAU team.
Miles: why he's in the team have no idea
Dorn: project. Role player at best.
Alexis: why do we want him if Florida didn't. You can see. Weak hands and arm strength
Harris: couldn't tell obviously
just poor talent evaluation. Why did we have to go to plan D or E as Seyton said. ??? Charisma is part of it.
100% agree!!@gerdis So you think the odds would even be stacked against great coaches here? Elaborate on the reasons you see it that way.
o suspect that the issue is above the coach. IU basketball clearly has a culture issue, and that cannot change without addressing the root cause. I suspect that root cause lies with whoever truly controls and owns the program- IU administration people and outside forces (boosters/etc.).
Perhaps May would have been very successful here. Maybe not. Imho, it isn’t just about coaching or players. There is a whole lot more to the job, and it requires a very unique and strong personality.
Great or elite coaches have elite results everywhere. There's nothing preventing a good coach from succeeding here if one were actually hired.
This concept of yours would also indicate that the failed coaches we have hired failed because of IU and not their own ineptitudes? Thats proven false when we see that Davis, Crean and Archie all have failed miserably once they left IU (Davis fired multiple times. Crean a disaster at Georgia, no longer coaching. Archie taking 4 years to even be competitive at RI.). Woodson couldn't buy another head coaching job either.
Those guys didn't fail because of IU, they failed because they were all mediocre and in over their heads (and in Woodson's case a guy who should have never been interviewed to begin with).
Doorknob was hired by Dullson. That was my contribution.....DK is easier.It seems premature to want to get rid of Coach DD after only one year, BUT I do agree that he has the personality of a door knob. The team is reflective of the coach, i.e. Cig. IU basketball needs a Hurley type coach who gets after it with players, refs, and everyone. Some personality that's kids want to play for. The closeups of Devries during the game showed a coach sweating, wide eyed, and looking like "what do I do"?
A lot of similarities between these 2. Deer in the headlights look on the sideline and in press conferences. Zero answers or confidence. I do think DeVries is the much better coach though. Gonna be hard to turn around though without more money.
maybe he knows basketball, maybe he's got a high basketball iq... I disagree, but let's say he does. To me that's not his biggest problem. He's unable to motivate or disseminate the message to the boys and get them to the point they want to run though a brick wall for him. Nor does he communicate it in a way to keep their focus and drive alive. To me that's an assistant coach role .. is what he's giving. That to me disqualifies him from this job going forward. Simply knowing X's and O's is great and a must but definitely not the only thing this job requires. He doesn't have it. He's got the personality of a door knob. In fact since I've coined that on this forum I'm going to give him that nickname going forward. Ala Bigfoot. Doorknob can't coach and can't lead.
It seems premature to want to get rid of Coach DD after only one year, BUT I do agree that he has the personality of a door knob. The team is reflective of the coach, i.e. Cig. IU basketball needs a Hurley type coach who gets after it with players, refs, and everyone. Some personality that's kids want to play for. The closeups of Devries during the game showed a coach sweating, wide eyed, and looking like "what do I do"?
I have thought for most of the year that there has been an odd lack of emotion on CDD's part. Early on, I hoped that this was just patience, but any legit patience with this team should have gone out the door with the Minnesota loss, replaced by urgency.
I watched the post-game Nebraska PC......when he arrived he looked like he was going to the dentist. When he was done, he left abruptly. What he said tho, was consistent with his normal language. Speaking to Don pregame with Iowa, he did not sound confident. Then, like you said, he looked dismayed and helpless the 2nd half v. Iowa.
Pretty impressive given the football run, DK personality, zero star players, and poor results. We're still a top 10 program just need a good coach.
https://twitter.com/i/status/2015861819273785753
Pretty impressive given the football run, DK personality, zero star players, and poor results. We're still a top 10 program just need a good coach.
Makes last three hires even more depressing to think about.
having the largest living alumni base will pull those numbers .. too bad we are terrible
having the largest living alumni base will pull those numbers .. too bad we are terrible
I figured the same thing. We will see if we can actually beat a good team tomorrow night.
Michigan has more NIL I'm guessing.
I think it's probably more about having strong support but still being able to coast in that Mich Football shadow a bit.
They had solid NIL and will, but May was basically cold calling and going door-to-door to get it from what ppl were saying. It wasn't just waiting for him when he showed up.
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