The poor roster build was bad but also something that you could give a pass to. It's year one at a program and conference at a level he had not seen yet. Flimsy but still a plausible excuse.
the entire team going MIA for full halves in multiple games is atrocious. All around terrible coaching. I'm not sure better roster talent will make up for this shitting coaching.
can't agree more
Unfortunately... I feel like I need to jump on the "he's not the guy" train, at the current moment. As a random, emotional, tired, fed up IU basketball fan, I reserve the right to jump off at any point. But right now... at this point in the season, fighting for an NCAA tournament bid, to look like we've looked in our last 3 games. Inexcusable. Any explanation he can give, "we're not connected"... F-ing connect them then, Coach! They're all grown men, you chose them, I'm sure they all "want" to do great things. Connect the dots, compel or demand, whatever it takes, to get them to play how they need to play. The lack of fire, and the lack of them even attempting to execute what has made IU basketball fun to watch this year, for most of that 2nd half last night... inexcusable.
He is a solid basketball coach. I know he was a fiery competitor as a player, and that has been his overall personality, his entire coaching career. But damn, this team, sure isn't showing that.
"Playing hard" isn't the standard. Getting grown men to all play hard isn't some great feat. Getting them to channel that energy, and ALWAYS run the offense, ALWAYS defend how I'm sure they're practicing, ALWAYS play with that extra edge or bounce... THAT, for whatever reason, is what CDD is lacking in coaching this team, right now. And we're too late in the season for this. Leads me to believe that a talent improvement might not solve it.
They still have a lot to play for. Win on Sunday, and they're probably back on the right side of the bubble. And I know I'll be excited to watch them if they make it. But man, right now, its hard to see any of that... and even if they do happen to right the ship, it'll be hard to forget these last 3 games and worry that versions of them will always happen, no matter the talent level.
@mushroomgod Why dump Harris?
I liked him when they got him. His #s were considerably better than those of Miles, for time played. I did question whether how his game would translate to the higher level as most of his activity was within 5 feet of the basket. He's not super athletic. Kind of a garbage man. Also, his game did not appear to fit what Devries calls his offense. He's not a rim-running shot-blocking kind of guy. Still, I liked the thought of having him around as it was clear to me before the season that Bailey was a wuss and we were going to have to rebound as a team. I kinda of liked Miles for that reason as well, as it was also clear Dorn would not be a rebounder.
All that said, he's been injured 100% of the time since before the season started. In December it was reported that Drake and Harris were "getting closer". Indications were both would see some time in a month or so.
Then I see an article on SI.com talking about Harris which includes this: "Whether Harris stays at Indiana or enters the transfer portal remains to be seen...Harris appeared...committed to finding the floor some way, somehow, somewhere next season".
The guy's an injury risk who doesn't know where he's at or what he's doing here. Time to move on.
He sort of owes us a year, doesn't he? If he's not all in, well, don't let the door hit you...
@mushroomgod hadn't read those things about Harris. If there's any question on his commitment to IU, then let him go, yes. But man... and I'm really, really, trying to be more positive about what's going on. But if he isn't committed to DeVries, and IU, enough to be busting his ass more to get back, and/or to be chomping at the bit to play next year... I have to ask WHY?
The next 6 weeks are sure going to interesting, and telling. I'm not in a great frame of mind, obviously after last night, but I wouldn't be shocked to see all but a couple of the guys leave, at this point. He's not playing many of the guys that can return. The guys that are playing, sure aren't committed to running the stuff he's been trying to teach them to run, there isn't a ton of history showing that people "follow" him much...
If he has to bring in mostly a whole new roster this offseason, and builds any sort of similar team... I'm just going to stop, I hate focusing on the bad stuff. Unfortunately, I think that's just the reality of it, right now.
Unfortunately... I feel like I need to jump on the "he's not the guy" train, at the current moment. As a random, emotional, tired, fed up IU basketball fan, I reserve the right to jump off at any point. But right now... at this point in the season, fighting for an NCAA tournament bid, to look like we've looked in our last 3 games. Inexcusable. Any explanation he can give, "we're not connected"... F-ing connect them then, Coach! They're all grown men, you chose them, I'm sure they all "want" to do great things. Connect the dots, compel or demand, whatever it takes, to get them to play how they need to play. The lack of fire, and the lack of them even attempting to execute what has made IU basketball fun to watch this year, for most of that 2nd half last night... inexcusable.
He is a solid basketball coach. I know he was a fiery competitor as a player, and that has been his overall personality, his entire coaching career. But damn, this team, sure isn't showing that.
"Playing hard" isn't the standard. Getting grown men to all play hard isn't some great feat. Getting them to channel that energy, and ALWAYS run the offense, ALWAYS defend how I'm sure they're practicing, ALWAYS play with that extra edge or bounce... THAT, for whatever reason, is what CDD is lacking in coaching this team, right now. And we're too late in the season for this. Leads me to believe that a talent improvement might not solve it.
They still have a lot to play for. Win on Sunday, and they're probably back on the right side of the bubble. And I know I'll be excited to watch them if they make it. But man, right now, its hard to see any of that... and even if they do happen to right the ship, it'll be hard to forget these last 3 games and worry that versions of them will always happen, no matter the talent level.
I knew you'd come around :). Seriously , there is likely no accountability for them if they perform poorly. They still get their money. He still has to play these clowns to keep his job ... RMK would have made them run until they puked.. can't do that anymore. And as I've already said and agree with you he can't motivate them and keep them on track for 40 minutes that's coaching or lack of ... and it will happen again
He sort of owes us a year, doesn't he? If he's not all in, well, don't let the door hit you...
id sure like to get in on that ... a year paid , free school , room and board etc. to do ... NOTHiN
@mushroomgod hadn't read those things about Harris. If there's any question on his commitment to IU, then let him go, yes. But man... and I'm really, really, trying to be more positive about what's going on. But if he isn't committed to DeVries, and IU, enough to be busting his ass more to get back, and/or to be chomping at the bit to play next year... I have to ask WHY?
The next 6 weeks are sure going to interesting, and telling. I'm not in a great frame of mind, obviously after last night, but I wouldn't be shocked to see all but a couple of the guys leave, at this point. He's not playing many of the guys that can return. The guys that are playing, sure aren't committed to running the stuff he's been trying to teach them to run, there isn't a ton of history showing that people "follow" him much...
If he has to bring in mostly a whole new roster this offseason, and builds any sort of similar team... I'm just going to stop, I hate focusing on the bad stuff. Unfortunately, I think that's just the reality of it, right now.
I hear you.. but there isn't really much good stuff or anything that outshines all the negative. It's a mess...and gaslighting yourself to believe .. you're just going to be disappointed and angered again. Fool me once
@mushroomgod Why dump Harris?
I liked him when they got him. His #s were considerably better than those of Miles, for time played. I did question whether how his game would translate to the higher level as most of his activity was within 5 feet of the basket. He's not super athletic. Kind of a garbage man. Also, his game did not appear to fit what Devries calls his offense. He's not a rim-running shot-blocking kind of guy. Still, I liked the thought of having him around as it was clear to me before the season that Bailey was a wuss and we were going to have to rebound as a team. I kinda of liked Miles for that reason as well, as it was also clear Dorn would not be a rebounder.
All that said, he's been injured 100% of the time since before the season started. In December it was reported that Drake and Harris were "getting closer". Indications were both would see some time in a month or so.
Then I see an article on SI.com talking about Harris which includes this: "Whether Harris stays at Indiana or enters the transfer portal remains to be seen...Harris appeared...committed to finding the floor some way, somehow, somewhere next season".
The guy's an injury risk who doesn't know where he's at or what he's doing here. Time to move on.
if this is true ...send him packing now
Agree - Harris played well in pre season - injury kept him out. I think we are 2-3 games better with him. 6'9, athletic is what we are missing.@mushroomgod Why dump Harris?
@ge-off at a minimum, he was someone who was known to have a good motor. Despite how it looks, and feels, right now, we're actually pretty close to being a solid, 2nd NCAA weekend level team, right now. And someone like him, putting 10 minutes in of hard nosed, high motor, length... very well could have been something that got us 3-4 more wins. Could have held off Kentucky. Could have held off Minny. Could have held off Nebraska. Could have beaten USC. Win even half those games, and we're not talking bubble right now. Even with these last 3 losses.
This is NOT an attempt to mask our problems. Its not an attempt to say if the above had happened, it would be "good enough". I think I'm on record with my concerns, right now. And if he has his mind on other programs, right now, then see ya... but if not, I'm not sure why we'd want him to leave.
Unfortunately... I feel like I need to jump on the "he's not the guy" train, at the current moment. As a random, emotional, tired, fed up IU basketball fan, I reserve the right to jump off at any point. But right now... at this point in the season, fighting for an NCAA tournament bid, to look like we've looked in our last 3 games. Inexcusable. Any explanation he can give, "we're not connected"... F-ing connect them then, Coach! They're all grown men, you chose them, I'm sure they all "want" to do great things. Connect the dots, compel or demand, whatever it takes, to get them to play how they need to play. The lack of fire, and the lack of them even attempting to execute what has made IU basketball fun to watch this year, for most of that 2nd half last night... inexcusable.
He is a solid basketball coach. I know he was a fiery competitor as a player, and that has been his overall personality, his entire coaching career. But damn, this team, sure isn't showing that.
"Playing hard" isn't the standard. Getting grown men to all play hard isn't some great feat. Getting them to channel that energy, and ALWAYS run the offense, ALWAYS defend how I'm sure they're practicing, ALWAYS play with that extra edge or bounce... THAT, for whatever reason, is what CDD is lacking in coaching this team, right now. And we're too late in the season for this. Leads me to believe that a talent improvement might not solve it.
They still have a lot to play for. Win on Sunday, and they're probably back on the right side of the bubble. And I know I'll be excited to watch them if they make it. But man, right now, its hard to see any of that... and even if they do happen to right the ship, it'll be hard to forget these last 3 games and worry that versions of them will always happen, no matter the talent level.
There were red flags flying since the hiring. The trip to Puerto Rico was a waste of time. Nothing was accomplished, as it was treated like a trip to Disneyland. The lack of discipline and toughness was evident all along. There does seem to be a lack of chemistry....thus 'we're not connected' business. You look at NW, Iowa, Nebraska, Wisconsin....there's confidence in the coach and accountability between the players.....not so with IU.
Agree - Harris played well in pre season - injury kept him out. I think we are 2-3 games better with him. 6'9, athletic is what we are missing.@mushroomgod Why dump Harris?
6'8" and not that athletic, but was productive at NF. He's not a shot blocker like S.A. But he is thicker. When he did play he was third string behind Bailey & Alexis. He didn't even play in the 3rd game in P.R. I don't remember DeVries saying much about him. Neither he nor DD seem to be all that concerned about him playing this year. He hasn't been mentioned in a couple of months. Whether or not he could have helped is speculation.