yep- other than Davis and Woodson, all the others were thought to be can’t miss hires
iu will never be great again- period
Not really any “can’t miss” hires in the bunch.
Sampson was being sanctioned when we hired him. He never should’ve been considered, let alone hired.
Dakich watched a lot of what went on during the Sampson tenure and thankfully never had a chance to get hired as a result.
Crean was slick salesman who got hired by one guy and was the forever crush of his next boss, who wanted him to stay.
Miller was never right for IU, but the same guy who loved Crean locked in on Archie.
Woodson was the favorite of the former players and, in our constant vacuum of poor leadership, he got the gig.
DeVries said “yes”, which set him apart from the other “candidates”.
The one constant? A total lack of leadership above each of them. Put another way, Bill Orwig wasn’t running through that door.
Yeah - "cant miss" was worded wrong - In hindsight, you are correct - but at the time each Crean and Miller were hired, they were very hot candidates. Sampson was met with uncertainty, but was the best of all of them.
IU needs some tournament visibility. As bad as it seems, the Blue Blood in them makes them somewhat a sleeping giant. Just one nice run in the tournament and kids seeing the sea of Red IU fans that follow them would be impressive. Then when the kids visit and see the banners and history. Just because the kids don't remember Knight teams doesn't mean they dont have access to the history.
Don't know if CDD is the guy or not but has has to get more talent. At least he has a bench going into next year. Maybe Acetimovic, ristic, Sisley, the 3 Frosh will produce a starter or 2 but I expect he needs to find 4 starters in the portal and 2 of them need be the caliber of Wilkerson or better or his time at IU will be short.
The problem is we have been this sleeping giant for 25 years now and the admins simply seem in capable of making a good hire. The offeseason there is always this hope this guy or that guy will be good next year but it always ends the same way. I remember how hyped up guys like Gunn where in the summer only to be basically a non factor. The fact is I am not sure firing DD after three years will even matter if he is a bust because it seems we will just hire another bust.
Iu needs a reboot - tear down the Hall, build something like a fieldhouse (grainbridge). Put names on the uniforms. These kids, and some of the parents, weren't even around when IU hoops was consistently good. All we have to sell is history, and these kids don't give a rats ass about that stuff - its too old.
Build something that will get kids attention and start some new traditions - Iu cold still keep the candy stripes, the mop lady on the pre game - we will have a Knight statue soon. IMO, a reboot is needed to make IU modern and interesting to players.
How does a new building (that puts you very far into debt and the football upgrades are more needed), names on the jerseys and other new traditions help recruit better players in an era of NIL and transfer portal?
Not sure it would - but what we have been doing the past 25 years isn't working either. All Iu can sell right now is history that most are too young to even care about the history.
Iu needs a reboot - tear down the Hall, build something like a fieldhouse (grainbridge). Put names on the uniforms. These kids, and some of the parents, weren't even around when IU hoops was consistently good. All we have to sell is history, and these kids don't give a rats ass about that stuff - its too old.
Build something that will get kids attention and start some new traditions - Iu cold still keep the candy stripes, the mop lady on the pre game - we will have a Knight statue soon. IMO, a reboot is needed to make IU modern and interesting to players.
How does a new building (that puts you very far into debt and the football upgrades are more needed), names on the jerseys and other new traditions help recruit better players in an era of NIL and transfer portal?
Not sure it would - but what we have been doing the past 25 years isn't working either. All Iu can sell right now is history that most are too young to even care about the history.
I mean honestly why do we keep overpaying by alot for average to below average coaches? We could save 1.5 million a year by hiring a guy like Minnesota got in Medved and put it towards football. The return on investment for IU bbal coaches is an F. Is it really that god awful of a job we have to pay top three big ten money to get the coaches we do?
Iu needs a reboot - tear down the Hall, build something like a fieldhouse (grainbridge). Put names on the uniforms. These kids, and some of the parents, weren't even around when IU hoops was consistently good. All we have to sell is history, and these kids don't give a rats ass about that stuff - its too old.
Build something that will get kids attention and start some new traditions - Iu cold still keep the candy stripes, the mop lady on the pre game - we will have a Knight statue soon. IMO, a reboot is needed to make IU modern and interesting to players.
How does a new building (that puts you very far into debt and the football upgrades are more needed), names on the jerseys and other new traditions help recruit better players in an era of NIL and transfer portal?
Not sure it would - but what we have been doing the past 25 years isn't working either. All Iu can sell right now is history that most are too young to even care about the history.
I mean honestly why do we keep overpaying by alot for average to below average coaches? We could save 1.5 million a year by hiring a guy like Minnesota got in Medved and put it towards football. The return on investment for IU bbal coaches is an F. Is it really that god awful of a job we have to pay top three big ten money to get the coaches we do?
I doubt we could hire anybody for cheap. Why would anybody come here to coach if not for money? Its a career-ender.
The amount of money it would take to make IU good in basketball again would be much better spent on football. The fact of the matter is football makes by far the most money and drives everything in college sports. IU is far more relevant than Purdue now and has a seat at the table.
At this point, IU may as well keep DD and hope by yr 4 we are like Nebraska, Took Hoiburg 4 years and he finally has a good team.
There is no reason to get rid of him like I said because they will just hire another crap coach. In all honestly we should have just kept Crean that is the best it will probably ever get.
But some fans posted he inherited a good situation at Dayton and hadn't really exceeded the previous guy.
To say he didn't exceed Brian Gregory is laughable. Yes, Dayton has a good history of success in hoops, but Gregory made the tournament 2x in 8 years. Archie made it 4x in 6 years...4 in a row to end his tenure. Archie is arguably the 1st or 2nd most successful coach in Dayton history.
That obviously hasn't translated elsewhere.
Not laughable at all. Which is why Dolson cited it as something Indiana should have been aware of, building the program versus continuing it.
Gregory's last four seasons from oldest to newest: 23 ,25 ,27, 22, wins. Archie Miller's five from oldest to newest: 20 ,17, 26, 27, 25 , fewest losses for both in the span, 8 . Most wins, 27 . Gregory isn't any better of course, he was under .500 at Georgia Tech and South Florida. Schools that seem possible to win at. Archie though took a can't win at job at Rhode Island. But still, fans wanted him gone by early season two.
Archie knows he should've stayed at Dayton I'm sure. They'd probably be building the statue by now. Him havng questions wasn't my take, I heard how he was the basketball rat in the family, so I was optimistic. But apparently his brother had recruiting chops (charisma... not just shady stuff) and Archie is a wet blanket.
Bailey: "We have a lot of motivation going into the Big Ten Tournament."
"But we are overmatched"
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Hey, I hope we make a run. We have been motivated, but can't win. Win our round one at least. Win a game. One good thing for DeVries team is I can't say they fold as far just giving up. Hence Bailey's comment.
@arioznahoosier4554 I don't think IU is a sleeping giant anymore; the "brand" has no caché. Hell, potential recruits have only known IU as a mediocre/subpar program.
