Our NIL is nothing special anymore. We spent 10 million last year and 20+ other programs did as well
I do think brand recognition plays into it. For the most part, I think that's why Duke has gotten some of the guys they've landed under Jon Scheyer. Top level NIL money obviously plays a big part in that as well, but I think if there are equal offers, someone is going to pick a Duke, UNC, Kansas, etc over a program that is just swinging for the fences. I still think IU would be considered a top tier brand in college basketball, but the NIL commitment has to be there.
All that said, I still think it's up to DeVries to sell these kids on coming to IU. NIL money can put him and IU in a car that can compete with top programs, but he still needs to drive and race the car.
A tree stump could have been successful at Duke taking over for Coach K. I'd consider that a really bad comparison.
That just totally ignores all of the examples of where a great coach retires and the person replacing them fails. Duke is an outlier when it comes to having had a very successful succession plan/results.
Duke is like JMU at a higher level. Good athletic department it seems. They keep rolling.
Many schools can't. Indiana is the poster child for those schools.
Mike Davis
Kelvin Sampson
Dan Dakich (interim)
Tom Crean
Archie Miller
Mike Woodson
Darian DeVries
Q.E.D.
Can anyone here play this game?
Our NIL is nothing special anymore. We spent 10 million last year and 20+ other programs did as well
I do think brand recognition plays into it. For the most part, I think that's why Duke has gotten some of the guys they've landed under Jon Scheyer. Top level NIL money obviously plays a big part in that as well, but I think if there are equal offers, someone is going to pick a Duke, UNC, Kansas, etc over a program that is just swinging for the fences. I still think IU would be considered a top tier brand in college basketball, but the NIL commitment has to be there.
All that said, I still think it's up to DeVries to sell these kids on coming to IU. NIL money can put him and IU in a car that can compete with top programs, but he still needs to drive and race the car.
A tree stump could have been successful at Duke taking over for Coach K. I'd consider that a really bad comparison.
That just totally ignores all of the examples of where a great coach retires and the person replacing them fails. Duke is an outlier when it comes to having had a very successful succession plan/results.
He'll have plenty of time to fail. The coach K fumes aren't going away immediately. Davis made a FF at UNC coasting off of Roy, but he's destined to get fired as the years drag on.
Sounds more like wishful thinking than reality. With the way Duke recruits 1-2 year players, Scheyer has already had to do his own thing at Duke, rather than being successful with K's leftover recruits.Our NIL is nothing special anymore. We spent 10 million last year and 20+ other programs did as well
I do think brand recognition plays into it. For the most part, I think that's why Duke has gotten some of the guys they've landed under Jon Scheyer. Top level NIL money obviously plays a big part in that as well, but I think if there are equal offers, someone is going to pick a Duke, UNC, Kansas, etc over a program that is just swinging for the fences. I still think IU would be considered a top tier brand in college basketball, but the NIL commitment has to be there.
All that said, I still think it's up to DeVries to sell these kids on coming to IU. NIL money can put him and IU in a car that can compete with top programs, but he still needs to drive and race the car.
A tree stump could have been successful at Duke taking over for Coach K. I'd consider that a really bad comparison.
That just totally ignores all of the examples of where a great coach retires and the person replacing them fails. Duke is an outlier when it comes to having had a very successful succession plan/results.
He'll have plenty of time to fail. The coach K fumes aren't going away immediately. Davis made a FF at UNC coasting off of Roy, but he's destined to get fired as the years drag on.
Top end talent is the greatest indicator of team success. And Duke continues to have top end talent every year.
Sounds more like wishful thinking than reality. With the way Duke recruits 1-2 year players, Scheyer has already had to do his own thing at Duke, rather than being successful with K's leftover recruits.Our NIL is nothing special anymore. We spent 10 million last year and 20+ other programs did as well
I do think brand recognition plays into it. For the most part, I think that's why Duke has gotten some of the guys they've landed under Jon Scheyer. Top level NIL money obviously plays a big part in that as well, but I think if there are equal offers, someone is going to pick a Duke, UNC, Kansas, etc over a program that is just swinging for the fences. I still think IU would be considered a top tier brand in college basketball, but the NIL commitment has to be there.
All that said, I still think it's up to DeVries to sell these kids on coming to IU. NIL money can put him and IU in a car that can compete with top programs, but he still needs to drive and race the car.
A tree stump could have been successful at Duke taking over for Coach K. I'd consider that a really bad comparison.
That just totally ignores all of the examples of where a great coach retires and the person replacing them fails. Duke is an outlier when it comes to having had a very successful succession plan/results.
He'll have plenty of time to fail. The coach K fumes aren't going away immediately. Davis made a FF at UNC coasting off of Roy, but he's destined to get fired as the years drag on.
Top end talent is the greatest indicator of team success. And Duke continues to have top end talent every year.
He's the definition of waking up on 3rd base. Anybody would have been successful there for a few years post K.
On a level NIL playing field, I see no reason why DeVries couldn't do what Jon Scheyer is doing at Duke. Maybe I'm being biased, but I think that's the level IU should be on.
Duke never went over two decades without being relevant in the national college basketball conversation. Today's recruits have never known Indiana to do anything noteworthy in basketball. Duke has been a consistent brand name, regularly one of the top few teams in their conference, regularly in the S16 or better. It's going to take some success, not just money, before we're really able to compete with them.
Scheyer has gone 14–6, 15–5, 19–1 and so far 17-1 in conference this year, made the tournament each of his years so far with an E8 and F4. Sure, he started in a better position than CDD. That's because Duke has managed their program well.
Well, the four top-100 players they have coming in next year (three 5-stars) are likely to make this statement just as silly this time next year as it is now.Sounds more like wishful thinking than reality. With the way Duke recruits 1-2 year players, Scheyer has already had to do his own thing at Duke, rather than being successful with K's leftover recruits.Our NIL is nothing special anymore. We spent 10 million last year and 20+ other programs did as well
I do think brand recognition plays into it. For the most part, I think that's why Duke has gotten some of the guys they've landed under Jon Scheyer. Top level NIL money obviously plays a big part in that as well, but I think if there are equal offers, someone is going to pick a Duke, UNC, Kansas, etc over a program that is just swinging for the fences. I still think IU would be considered a top tier brand in college basketball, but the NIL commitment has to be there.
All that said, I still think it's up to DeVries to sell these kids on coming to IU. NIL money can put him and IU in a car that can compete with top programs, but he still needs to drive and race the car.
A tree stump could have been successful at Duke taking over for Coach K. I'd consider that a really bad comparison.
That just totally ignores all of the examples of where a great coach retires and the person replacing them fails. Duke is an outlier when it comes to having had a very successful succession plan/results.
He'll have plenty of time to fail. The coach K fumes aren't going away immediately. Davis made a FF at UNC coasting off of Roy, but he's destined to get fired as the years drag on.
Top end talent is the greatest indicator of team success. And Duke continues to have top end talent every year.
He's the definition of waking up on 3rd base. Anybody would have been successful there for a few years post K.
Only two of those didn't come with substantial outcry from the fans. Sampson had lot of complaints, for being Sampson, Davis for letting the players dictate the coach with no actual search.Mike Davis
Kelvin Sampson
Dan Dakich (interim)
Tom Crean
Archie Miller
Mike Woodson
Darian DeVries
Q.E.D.
Crean had many posting caveats of 'what has he won without Dwyane Wade?' But he willingly stepped into the death penalty era. So was mostly viewed positively.
Archie had a lot of hype because he was supposedly as good a coach as his brother but without the sleaze. But some fans posted he inherited a good situation at Dayton and hadn't really exceeded the previous guy. But mostly positive.
DeVries seemed to come in with about the same level of hope as Crean and Miller. Which is to say a lot of positivity, with some 'show me' from fans.
I just looked at IU basketball since IU fired coach Knight:
4 seasons IU has finished with single digit losses! 4!!!
10 seasons IU has finished in the top 5 of the conference! 10!
Our basketball issues run much deeper than coaching - there has been a terrible run of bad hires, mismanagement, failed leadership. Just unreal how IU took a complete nose dive after RMK.
The guy who had the most success post season the man people love to hate - Mike Davis. It is very hard at this point to see us ever being relevant again we made bad hire after bad hire because we refuse to pull the trigger on the good hires we can get at the right time. And not matter how bad DD is the next year he will get four years minimum because that is just what IU does.
But some fans posted he inherited a good situation at Dayton and hadn't really exceeded the previous guy.
To say he didn't exceed Brian Gregory is laughable. Yes, Dayton has a good history of success in hoops, but Gregory made the tournament 2x in 8 years. Archie made it 4x in 6 years...4 in a row to end his tenure. Archie is arguably the 1st or 2nd most successful coach in Dayton history.
That obviously hasn't translated elsewhere.
IU needs some tournament visibility. As bad as it seems, the Blue Blood in them makes them somewhat a sleeping giant. Just one nice run in the tournament and kids seeing the sea of Red IU fans that follow them would be impressive. Then when the kids visit and see the banners and history. Just because the kids don't remember Knight teams doesn't mean they dont have access to the history.
Don't know if CDD is the guy or not but has has to get more talent. At least he has a bench going into next year. Maybe Acetimovic, ristic, Sisley, the 3 Frosh will produce a starter or 2 but I expect he needs to find 4 starters in the portal and 2 of them need be the caliber of Wilkerson or better or his time at IU will be short.
I know I'll get blasted - but oh well!
Iu needs a reboot - tear down the Hall, build something like a fieldhouse (grainbridge). Put names on the uniforms. These kids, and some of the parents, weren't even around when IU hoops was consistently good. All we have to sell is history, and these kids don't give a rats ass about that stuff - its too old.
Build something that will get kids attention and start some new traditions - Iu cold still keep the candy stripes, the mop lady on the pre game - we will have a Knight statue soon. IMO, a reboot is needed to make IU modern and interesting to players.
How does a new building (that puts you very far into debt and the football upgrades are more needed), names on the jerseys and other new traditions help recruit better players in an era of NIL and transfer portal?I know I'll get blasted - but oh well!
Iu needs a reboot - tear down the Hall, build something like a fieldhouse (grainbridge). Put names on the uniforms. These kids, and some of the parents, weren't even around when IU hoops was consistently good. All we have to sell is history, and these kids don't give a rats ass about that stuff - its too old.
Build something that will get kids attention and start some new traditions - Iu cold still keep the candy stripes, the mop lady on the pre game - we will have a Knight statue soon. IMO, a reboot is needed to make IU modern and interesting to players.
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