@hoosiers94 ahhh gotcha... for sure on looking hard at the 3rd party as additional NIL revenue. I don't think any of us know exactly how CDD's first offseason went, in terms of budget, Dolson help and involvement, flexibility with the budget, etc... But it sure seemed like he was given a budget, and then left on his own to maximize it, without really any help expanding it when the market realities became clear.
My main point though is just that with the football teams Natty season under our belts, combined with whatever the approach was with NIL/Basketball this past offseason, combined with us starting with 4-6 players, instead of 1, that generally would be less expensive than if we were getting them from the portal... And CDD should have quite a lot more resources at his disposal this offseason, than he did last offseason. I don't even think it matters a ton whether we make the NCAAs, or not.
We aren't firing CDD without huge donor involvement to cover all the various buyouts that would be needed. Like Woodson's last couple years, I suspect, the pitch by Dolson, and whoever else, will be... We need more NIL money to compete, and that's a much smaller amount than all the buyouts would be to fire CDD and find the next guy, to compete.
let me just say , I know some of the big donors. I know several at ND as well. Some of them would prefer to spend their money on an asset that will yield wins and will toss the money in to buy out a coach they don't believe in ... some will take your approach and take a wait and see but will give less due to this years results. Shrewsberry is getting some heat as well. Some will do exactly what you're saying and ride him at least one more year. But the majority of them will spend if they're sold on a plan whether that's to keep him or fire him. It's a mixed bag so it's hedged either way. One donor has the opinion that we have this momentum with football so let's get the rest right..
post covid 5 million is the new 1 million for reference purposes.. to get a high level donor to give 5m annually isn't outrageous. Just have to call the right donors. And they don't necessarily have to be alumni.
the fact that we may have 4-6 players in house already. Don't count on home town discounts or on the roster already discounts. Doesn't mean they don't want to get paid annually. So unless the budget goes up as you mentioned and isn't a hard figure we will have the same problem this cycle.
You also have to understand the ego involved with some of these donors. You think Cuban does it out of sheer love for IU. He loves the attention it gives him. He turns that into more business opportunities. There are many of them out there that love to be buttered up. They can't help themselves. We just need to figure out how to do it
@hoosiers94 Oh I know none of them are "free". I know of NAIA guys getting 6 figures, any scholly player at IU is getting multiple 6 figures. Its just usually cheaper to get guys like Dorn, Sisley, to come back, than it would be if they were available on the open market. And incoming freshmen are usually cheaper than portal guys too. Wild guesses here... but it could look something like...
Dorn...playing himself in to a significant raise, right now, hope that continues... He'll be 1million per guy.
Sisley... he was trending that way. I think he'd be a guy that would actually take less to stay at IU though, and hes cooling off... 600K guy
Harris, Ristic, Miles, Drake, Amisovic... I don't think, at this point, that any of these guys has played themselves in to a "raise"... 300ish K guys.
Moody-Alexander... incoming frosh, solid, but not a 5 star kid... 400K ish
Karvala... similar to above...400K ish
If we keep Dorn and Sisley, and keep a couple other returning guys... and the frosh both come...
That's roughly 3 million bucks for 6 guys. Any sort of bump, any sort of flexibility to stretch for any elite portal or foreign guys, and we'll have 8-10 million for roughly 6-7 guys. 3,3,2, 1, 500K, 500K
I actually think this is conservative to what we'd have. No clue what this years portal market will put elite guys at? And my numbers, I'm sure aren't accurate. But I do think they give a decent glimpse in to the perspective I'm discussing. We'll have more money this go around. And everyone involved with IU basketball will have very intimate knowledge on the mistakes that were made last year.
@hoosiers94 assuming... If NIL market values continue to increase, and our budget stays the same or decreases... then we really shouldn't worry much about who the coach is.
Pocket books won't be opened that easily. If DeVries wants top-shelf NIL money, he has to show donors he's the right guy ... and that IU basketball is on an upward trajectory. When a team's best wins are K-State, Marquette, and Washington at the end of January, you really haven't shown donors squat. Simply being better than Woody means jack s---.
DeVries 1 - 0 Cronin
On their court.
Archie is 3 inches taller than cronin. No seriously
When a team's best wins are K-State, Marquette, and Washington at the end of January, you really haven't shown donors squat. Simply being better than Woody means jack s---.
How about now with wins over Purdue and @UCLA??????
DumbFor the record, I'm certainly not advocating for Cronin. But, if I had choose IU's coach from him or Knob, I'd choose the demented elf.
Lol. Mick Cronin. This thread is so dumb.
The nickname, which is obviously going through a reboot after failing to take off, is also dumb. Petulant baby bullshit.
Don't worry, it's college basketball, and everyone loses games, so you babies will get another chance to pitch a fit eventually.
@hoosiers94 Oh I know none of them are "free". I know of NAIA guys getting 6 figures, any scholly player at IU is getting multiple 6 figures. Its just usually cheaper to get guys like Dorn, Sisley, to come back, than it would be if they were available on the open market. And incoming freshmen are usually cheaper than portal guys too. Wild guesses here... but it could look something like...
Dorn...playing himself in to a significant raise, right now, hope that continues... He'll be 1million per guy.
Sisley... he was trending that way. I think he'd be a guy that would actually take less to stay at IU though, and hes cooling off... 600K guy
Harris, Ristic, Miles, Drake, Amisovic... I don't think, at this point, that any of these guys has played themselves in to a "raise"... 300ish K guys.
Moody-Alexander... incoming frosh, solid, but not a 5 star kid... 400K ish
Karvala... similar to above...400K ish
If we keep Dorn and Sisley, and keep a couple other returning guys... and the frosh both come...
That's roughly 3 million bucks for 6 guys. Any sort of bump, any sort of flexibility to stretch for any elite portal or foreign guys, and we'll have 8-10 million for roughly 6-7 guys. 3,3,2, 1, 500K, 500K
I actually think this is conservative to what we'd have. No clue what this years portal market will put elite guys at? And my numbers, I'm sure aren't accurate. But I do think they give a decent glimpse in to the perspective I'm discussing. We'll have more money this go around. And everyone involved with IU basketball will have very intimate knowledge on the mistakes that were made last year.
Keeping dorn will cost much more than a million unless he gets no better offers. If he keeps putting up big numbers the big money programs will come looking. NIL is out of control so 2 million maybe to keep him. It wil all come down to how much money is given to iu hoops. You can probably keep the guys who did not play for cheap but if dorn keeps putting up number the big boys will want him and thats the 2 to 3 million dollar range.
@hoosiers94 You don't know if that's true... The mood IU football has created in Bloomington, very easily could spill over to basketball. Mark Cuban becoming more involved, by himself, could change our budget dramatically. He sure seemed pretty jacked about IU the last month or so. All it takes if for a couple of those guys to be marginally more excited about the direction IU athletics is going. A small percentage of collectives contributions from guys like Cuban, for basketball, could move the needle dramatically.
And I've referred to this before... but I really think its more of a matter of "elasticity" Zero chance Dusty May had a fixed budget where he ended up landing this past offseason. When it got down to the point of closing and landing guys like Landeborg and Cadeau... I'm sure he was able to go to a Larry Ellensen like person, to get the packages put together.
Our football successes dramatically increase the chances of our big donors being in the charitable mood towards bball, in my opinion. Not all of them, I'm sure, but for bball, it only takes one or two.
Maybe but I still think its a tough sell right now. i think they would rather throw it at football and a few years ago i would have said the opposite. It was always easy to give to bbal when football sucked. Bbal was still king even if we werent that good. a couple wins wont change it this program will have to show its going to really be ready to win big again imo to get the boosters excited but maybe i am wrong. i just think after 20 years of mostly crap boosters are not just going to throw money at a team because they are 6-5. Maybe if they go like 14-6 but who knows its clear the woodson money was a one time thing from quinns buddies
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