@hoosiers94 Will do. I was on 2 hrs of sleep yesterday, so I probably missed something haha
only down part of that travel weekend 
@gthomas That's not what I said. I get that most would interpret it that way. But as a recap... they called an illegal screen on IU, in the first half, that wiped away a Tucker 3, that was an awful call. They then missed no less than 4, much more obvious illegal screens on Iowa, 2 of which led directly to Iowa 3s... and then one that they actually compounded by calling Conor for his 2nd foul, that sent him to the bench for the rest of the half, and gave Nebraska free throws. Then there was the ridiculous Tucker stretch in the 2nd half, that sent him to the bench with 4 fouls, while we were firmly in control of the game. Not asking for calls to go our way if they shouldn't, just that they're consistent, and even. If that had been the case, Tucker never goes to the bench, and the momentum at that time either doesn't switch at all, or takes quite a lot longer to switch back to Nebraska. If it doesn't switch at all, we might have won that game by 20+. If it does eventually switch back, we're much more likely to hold them off and win.
I enter in to these officiating posts knowing it sounds like whining, sour grapes. Yep. And IU's coaches and players, ultimately, are to blame for the loss. Its just a bummer, in Assembly Hall no less, that we had an officiating crew have that big of an impact against us.
Losing at home is never a good thing. It doesn't matter if it Nebraska or Purdue or IPFW. But on the positive side, this was yet another game that we showed for long stretches, that we can be a very good basketball team. Coach Weber went on and on about all the good things he sees with what's going on at IU. It IS there. Now... the inconsistencies are risking completely overshadowing all that good. I still hope, and do believe, that CDD will continue to move the needle forward, and we'll be an NCAA tournament, potentially 2nd weekend, level team by years end (barring any major injuries). But as I sit here today, there's no way to "know" that. And anyone that can't, or doesn't, acknowledge the bad things that have happened, and are happening... are just as jaded as the ones only posting the negative stuff. I guess I spend most of my time trying to offer the flip side of what posters like you and Hoosiers94 are posting... but I promise, I'm not enjoying the inconsistencies with this team and staff.
Something I have to get off my chest is that you people talking about a program that’s been in the toilet for “30 years” are full of $hit. 20 years? No argument from me. 25 years? I’ll allow it, even though we made a national championship game with RMK’s players. But when you say 30 years you’re intentionally disrespecting RMK and pissing on the legacy of the greatest coach we’ve ever had. You’re ingrates. You know who you are and we all know there ain’t a single one of you who wouldn’t trade your left nut for the program we had between 95-00 compared to what we have now. Not one…
I picked IU to go 8-12 in conference but could see path to 10-10. Is that enough for the NCAA tourney. Eventually they need a signature win or 2. Their lack of having a center is huge. Alexis only played 10 minutes vs Nebraska. Bailey is forward. I think the coach is good but he can't expect to win much in this league with these holes in the paint defensively. I think players they have are fine and the pieces would fit great if they had bigs. If he came up short recruiting that is one thing but if this is his system then my opinion on him being good will turn out wrong. I am not buying Brucie Boy's hype. I doubt they survive Big 10 to make the NCAA tourney being so undermanned in the paint. CDD will have to replace 6 main rotation players so hope he gets it right next year and proves me wrong the rest of conference play.
@sig Its something he has to overcome, for certain. But they're not the only good B10 team, or good team nationally, that plays without a traditional anchor big. Nebraska, as an example, doesn't have one. Iowa doesn't have one. Not having one, I think, does put a ceiling on how good we can be. But even without one, if the guys we have were even a little more consistent with how engaged they are defensively, and then how actively they force ball and player movement offensively... we'd only have 1 or 2 losses, and we'd be a top 20 team right now.
Ifs and buts... I get it... and having a true anchor big can make up for some of these lulls, to be sure. But just saying we have the horses to still be a really good team, without that physical big we're lacking. And all it would take is something we should have, with or without all the correct pieces on the roster... consistency in effort and focus.
@jj_mcclure I wouldn't trade any nuts for 95-00 Hoosiers teams. None of them were a threat to do much of anything in the postseason, the 95-96 team played well in the B10 season, so maybe I'd consider some sort of painful trade for teams like that one? But they were pretty bad in the non conference. And then no team after that was all that great.
Better than Archie and Woodson teams?... most of them. Woodsons JHS/TJD team was probably better than any of RMK's last 5 teams. And then Davis, Crean, and Sampson all had teams markedly better than RMK's last 5 teams were.
IU hasn't been relevant on the national stage, consistently, since Bailey and Henderson graduated. They've had some flashes of getting back to that level, but that's all they've been, brief flashes.
I picked IU to go 8-12 in conference but could see path to 10-10. Is that enough for the NCAA tourney. Eventually they need a signature win or 2. Their lack of having a center is huge. Alexis only played 10 minutes vs Nebraska. Bailey is forward. I think the coach is good but he can't expect to win much in this league with these holes in the paint defensively. I think players they have are fine and the pieces would fit great if they had bigs. If he came up short recruiting that is one thing but if this is his system then my opinion on him being good will turn out wrong. I am not buying Brucie Boy's hype. I doubt they survive Big 10 to make the NCAA tourney being so undermanned in the paint. CDD will have to replace 6 main rotation players so hope he gets it right next year and proves me wrong the rest of conference play.
It would depend some of the makeup of those wins, but the metrics aren't 'bad' at the moment. Maryland and Rutgers are the 2 worst teams in the conference, metrically speaking and we play both on the road (already beat Maryland). Even the road game with Rutgers will be Q3. Can't really afford to lose that.
Everything else will be Q2 or Q1 from here on out so if we're picking up 6-7 more wins they'll be 'quality' ones, at least on paper.
Even Minn. is now Q2 and they're very close to moving into a Q1 loss.
10-10 probably gets us in. 8-12 won't do it I don't think. 9-11 would come down to the wire (and any B1GT wins).
I picked IU to go 8-12 in conference but could see path to 10-10. Is that enough for the NCAA tourney. Eventually they need a signature win or 2. Their lack of having a center is huge. Alexis only played 10 minutes vs Nebraska. Bailey is forward. I think the coach is good but he can't expect to win much in this league with these holes in the paint defensively. I think players they have are fine and the pieces would fit great if they had bigs. If he came up short recruiting that is one thing but if this is his system then my opinion on him being good will turn out wrong. I am not buying Brucie Boy's hype. I doubt they survive Big 10 to make the NCAA tourney being so undermanned in the paint. CDD will have to replace 6 main rotation players so hope he gets it right next year and proves me wrong the rest of conference play.
I will stay with 8-12 or maybe 9-11. I don't think there is anyway we win at Michigan State tomorrow or at Michigan. Iowa at home is a possible win. But looking at the rest of the schedule 8-12 seems about right and that assumes we stay healthy.
@jj_mcclure I wouldn't trade any nuts for 95-00 Hoosiers teams. None of them were a threat to do much of anything in the postseason, the 95-96 team played well in the B10 season, so maybe I'd consider some sort of painful trade for teams like that one? But they were pretty bad in the non conference. And then no team after that was all that great.
Better than Archie and Woodson teams?... most of them. Woodsons JHS/TJD team was probably better than any of RMK's last 5 teams. And then Davis, Crean, and Sampson all had teams markedly better than RMK's last 5 teams were.
IU hasn't been relevant on the national stage, consistently, since Bailey and Henderson graduated. They've had some flashes of getting back to that level, but that's all they've been, brief flashes.
I would agree with you ..: graduated in 94. That team lost in the S16 to BC. We were good but knew we weren't going to get much further than we did. That was the year we lost to Minnesota at Williams by 50. And lost 3 of last 5 to end the season. Didn't look good heading into the tournament
Something I have to get off my chest is that you people talking about a program that’s been in the toilet for “30 years” are full of $hit. 20 years? No argument from me. 25 years? I’ll allow it, even though we made a national championship game with RMK’s players. But when you say 30 years you’re intentionally disrespecting RMK and pissing on the legacy of the greatest coach we’ve ever had. You’re ingrates. You know who you are and we all know there ain’t a single one of you who wouldn’t trade your left nut for the program we had between 95-00 compared to what we have now. Not one…
I would say the last 25
years has been brutal. Davis' run was nothing special. The one year was awesome but the rest were not. Remember the Bracey Wright game against Kentucky. Yeesh But RMK's last 5 years weren't great. The troubles that surfaced with Collier, Recker, Reed etc. always seemed that we were out of sync. AJ Guyton was one of the bright spots, amongst others. And I love the General. He shouldn't have been fired when he was . Don't get me started. But his style I'm guessing was rubbing too many players wrong. And they knew what they were getting into
@iunorth You can cherry pick individual years that might be better than those last five but what you’re choosing to ignore is the consistency and the stability. There was a standard that we didn’t fall below. The program was in a vastly better place. You’re just plain lying if you don’t acknowledge that…
@iunorth You can cherry pick individual years that might be better than those last five but what you’re choosing to ignore is the consistency and the stability. There was a standard that we didn’t fall below. The program was in a vastly better place. You’re just plain lying if you don’t acknowledge that…
I believe there’s a difference between “the program” and the results of a season or even a few.
Even within a season there are many ebbs and flows and fair or not much of the season gets remembered by the tournament. In Knights final season we were a top ten team at one point. In those down years, I can remember the seasons ending in a very disappointing way. But, part of that was because back then we were still great “program”. Our standards were high. It didn’t matter that we consistently made the tournament during those down years. It didn’t matter that we spent roughly half of the time being ranked in those down years. It hurt to have the seasons end the way the way they did because each year we went into the tournament thinking that we could have success. We were respected as a program. We were an elite program having down years- making the tournament every year with early ends to the season.
now? Let’s be realistic. As a program we are no longer special. Our history has things in it that makes us good (but not elite, imho), but the program itself has now become no different than any other mid level big ten program.
I remember Kirk, a great player for us, going down in the first minute of the Pepperdine game, and how much that loss hurt. I remember the St John’s game. I remember many disappointing big ten tournament results sitting in the united center. That was a rough patch for our program, no doubt.
The difference is that the program is now so pedestrian that it would take a massive jump in performance just to be get to the next five NCAA tournaments and lose in the first or second rounds. IU basketball as a program has been reduced to these 2 annual questions:
1. Will we make the tournament this year? (Typically NO)
2. When will this coach get fired? (Based on the last 25 years it’s never too early to ask this question)
Although I never really wanted Alford, the truth now looks like - if we'd had him the past 10 years we'd at least have made some runs now and then and still have some buzz most seasons.
CDD might still surprise me. Just disappointed in the start mainly due to roster. Hoping there were extenuating circumstances and he'll get this ball rolling downhill eventually.
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