You laugh, but what else can we do but wait and hope?
Have to cut the coach some slack, we had early ugly losses to Minnesota and Kentucky. But the team was all-new! It takes awhile to really learn and buy in to what the coach is teaching and demanding. Once we had better health, and all cylinders firing for the final NCAA stretch run, we... Uh, nevermind.
Not to be argumentative but I truly don't understand the idea of anyone needing to cut the coach slack. He wasn't the only coach turning over rosters.
Iowa turned over a roster, at a lesser-known program and is in the tourney. St. Johns turned over all of their contributors and they are a 5 seed. NC State did and they are in the tourney. Cincy took on 7 guys and they too are likely in the tourney. Texas A&M took 10 players and they are squarely in the tourney. Virginia 7 players, likely a 4 seed. Even UCF, they took on TWELVE players and look to be in the tourney. The list genuinely continues but you get the point. In the past, I agree, we needed to wait it out and see. In the modern era, with the money we have, there is absolutely positively no reason we should not be in the tournament every year, at a minimum. Be it year 1 or year 20.
a fucking men
2nd in the conference in NIL should not equate to 10th place. Just sayin'.
Paying coaches top four in the big ten salaries should not equate to two tourney's in ten years either but at IU it does. Nobody can say we do not spend the money because we 100% do we just do not get results
You laugh, but what else can we do but wait and hope?
Have to cut the coach some slack, we had early ugly losses to Minnesota and Kentucky. But the team was all-new! It takes awhile to really learn and buy in to what the coach is teaching and demanding. Once we had better health, and all cylinders firing for the final NCAA stretch run, we... Uh, nevermind.
Not to be argumentative but I truly don't understand the idea of anyone needing to cut the coach slack. He wasn't the only coach turning over rosters.
Iowa turned over a roster, at a lesser-known program and is in the tourney. St. Johns turned over all of their contributors and they are a 5 seed. NC State did and they are in the tourney. Cincy took on 7 guys and they too are likely in the tourney. Texas A&M took 10 players and they are squarely in the tourney. Virginia 7 players, likely a 4 seed. Even UCF, they took on TWELVE players and look to be in the tourney. The list genuinely continues but you get the point. In the past, I agree, we needed to wait it out and see. In the modern era, with the money we have, there is absolutely positively no reason we should not be in the tournament every year, at a minimum. Be it year 1 or year 20.
a fucking men
2nd in the conference in NIL should not equate to 10th place. Just sayin'.
Other site says we're not 2nd. More like 4th in the B1G at best right now. Your point stands, though, that should still return a better ROI than it has so far in this new era.
The last two portal cycles have proven to me beyond a shadow of a doubt you can put zero credibility on the recruiting services portal rankings.
Which means it will be the second week of December '26 before anyone anywhere knows what sort of team Indiana is next season.
Best to go full Rip Van Winkle and not get hyped up on Sunshine or the Bitching angles.
Train, say your prayers, eat your vitamins, be true to yourself, true to your country, be a real Hoosier.
And this is why I take it with a grain of salt. Yes, I thought Tucker, Wilkerson and even Bailer would be good. Turns out only one of the three were any good.
You laugh, but what else can we do but wait and hope?
Have to cut the coach some slack, we had early ugly losses to Minnesota and Kentucky. But the team was all-new! It takes awhile to really learn and buy in to what the coach is teaching and demanding. Once we had better health, and all cylinders firing for the final NCAA stretch run, we... Uh, nevermind.
Not to be argumentative but I truly don't understand the idea of anyone needing to cut the coach slack. He wasn't the only coach turning over rosters.
Iowa turned over a roster, at a lesser-known program and is in the tourney. St. Johns turned over all of their contributors and they are a 5 seed. NC State did and they are in the tourney. Cincy took on 7 guys and they too are likely in the tourney. Texas A&M took 10 players and they are squarely in the tourney. Virginia 7 players, likely a 4 seed. Even UCF, they took on TWELVE players and look to be in the tourney. The list genuinely continues but you get the point. In the past, I agree, we needed to wait it out and see. In the modern era, with the money we have, there is absolutely positively no reason we should not be in the tournament every year, at a minimum. Be it year 1 or year 20.
I did not follow other teams that close and forgot virginia had a first year coach. Yes it can be done in year one. It is just never done at IU it seems.
You laugh, but what else can we do but wait and hope?
Have to cut the coach some slack, we had early ugly losses to Minnesota and Kentucky. But the team was all-new! It takes awhile to really learn and buy in to what the coach is teaching and demanding. Once we had better health, and all cylinders firing for the final NCAA stretch run, we... Uh, nevermind.
Not to be argumentative but I truly don't understand the idea of anyone needing to cut the coach slack. He wasn't the only coach turning over rosters.
Iowa turned over a roster, at a lesser-known program and is in the tourney. St. Johns turned over all of their contributors and they are a 5 seed. NC State did and they are in the tourney. Cincy took on 7 guys and they too are likely in the tourney. Texas A&M took 10 players and they are squarely in the tourney. Virginia 7 players, likely a 4 seed. Even UCF, they took on TWELVE players and look to be in the tourney. The list genuinely continues but you get the point. In the past, I agree, we needed to wait it out and see. In the modern era, with the money we have, there is absolutely positively no reason we should not be in the tournament every year, at a minimum. Be it year 1 or year 20.
a fucking men
2nd in the conference in NIL should not equate to 10th place. Just sayin'.
Apparently your opinion is obtuse because....the staff was late or some bs....yeah that. I can guarantee if he fails again next year, people will line up on here with excuses. It's become a tradition here.
@yothn “fails” is subjective. But if he misses NCAAs again next year there won’t be many people at all on here defending him. There will always be some eternal optimists that defend until the end. But a 2nd missed NCAA will unite most of us against his tenure continuing.
I dont get why we are supposed to beat a dead horse?
Other teams turned over rosters. Teams with new coaches turned over rosters. Other teams pulled better portal players in the same window. Other new coaches put their staff together quickly. We knew that last spring... It was dismaying that DeVries didnt seem ready to go out of the gate. Didnt bring staff or players. The team seemed undermanned. But all we could do was see. (Dolson wasnt ready to help a transition either, it feels like.)
And we sucked. Old news, now. If we suck next year we will know even more.
We didnt suck all the time. Clearly the guy has some coaching chops. Some bad signs, but without help and trying to keep things quiet, seems tough to recruit for Indiana and build a staff. Maybe he was blindsided with some staff bailing.
@yothn “fails” is subjective. But if he misses NCAAs again next year there won’t be many people at all on here defending him. There will always be some eternal optimists that defend until the end. But a 2nd missed NCAA will unite most of us against his tenure continuing.
I want a little better than just making the tournament. I think a top third finish in the conference and a decent seed are pretty much mandatory. If we are just marginally better in the conference and barely limp in to the tourney as a last four or play-in team I won't be impressed.
@yothn “fails” is subjective. But if he misses NCAAs again next year there won’t be many people at all on here defending him. There will always be some eternal optimists that defend until the end. But a 2nd missed NCAA will unite most of us against his tenure continuing.
Its failure when the tournament should always be the basement at Indiana. In the past, making incremental progress was a viable perspective. This season in year one would've actually been a great year, but we also wouldn't have been senior laden. In this modern era, unless you are turning over your roster in June or sanctions have a foot on your head, there are no excuses for Indiana to miss the tourney. Making the tournament is simply being a top half (and in some cases not even that) of your conference. We could've made it as a 10th place team in our own conference. That is why I call it a failure.
I say all this knowing full well that he was going to be retained next year no matter what happened this season. So he clearly has an opportunity to pull himself out of it, but I won't pretend to say this season was anything but a failure.
@yothn If categorizing everything as pass/fail is necessary, then I would agree, he failed this season. But there were good things, he did some things well, we're in a better position today, than we were 365 days ago... we'll see how offseason 2, and season 2 go...
But to reiterate... if he misses the NCAA tournament, or even limps in with any sort of similar season to this one... there won't be very many people on here defending him.
@ams66 Agreed... obviously there are gray areas in the definition of success... but if next season looks and feels like this one, but with a win or two more and a limped in NCAA tournament berth... then that's a failure. He might retain his job if he gets to the NCAA, but I would be really surprised if he keeps his job if he misses it.
@yothn If categorizing everything as pass/fail is necessary, then I would agree, he failed this season. But there were good things, he did some things well, we're in a better position today, than we were 365 days ago... we'll see how offseason 2, and season 2 go...
But to reiterate... if he misses the NCAA tournament, or even limps in with any sort of similar season to this one... there won't be very many people on here defending him.
I'm with you. It's like if there were 64 college football teams invited to the CFP and OSU didn't make it. That is what it should feel like. Not because Indiana's tradition carries a strong sentiment anymore but because we really check every box and not many if any programs can say that. Does the below mean we need to finish #1 or else its a failure? I assume not but not making the tourney? Its pretty wild.
@yothn That stat everyone keeps referring to was Woodson's last year. And it doesn't include NIL, which has quickly become one of the most important spend numbers. Doesn't change that we're not getting the value back out of how much we are spending. But its a pretty misleading graphic to use, right now. As its very unlikely we're spending the most, by any measure, any more.
@yothn That stat everyone keeps referring to was Woodson's last year. And it doesn't include NIL, which has quickly become one of the most important spend numbers. Doesn't change that we're not getting the value back out of how much we are spending. But its a pretty misleading graphic to use, right now. As its very unlikely we're spending the most, by any measure, any more.
