@curtdog I still think we should have kept some guys. Rice Tucker kannan all better options IMO. That’s coaches choice.
IMO, you had to flush all the guys who were part of that Woodson system. Why would CDD want to deal with any of them who were recruited into a system that is 180 degrees from what he's trying to do? Never mind the NIL implications.
Rice is throwing shoes from help side at Maryland and Carlyle is sub 40% from the field at FAU right now. Tucker may have been worth keeping, but the rumor was he had a bunch of parental baggage.
A lot of fans have a hard time separating stars from team. If websites like this existed at the time….the same folks would have bitched about Hillman playing. And no…Enright is not Hillman
@hooky read my posts…. we are playing 3 guards that makes no sense to me. Trent or Alexis should take his spot IMO.
@kkott I’m just answering questions that are asked of me. I don’t think CE is good, and should go to the bench. Also confused why a back up Pg is starting next to an our healthy PG.
@cavanagh Don't forget if Leal had been granted his appeal he'd still be on the team. 
@ams66 that’s what I don’t understand with coach, and maybe he would not have been on the team to be fair, but like you mentioned sure looked like he would have been. But if you were gonna keep him, how about keep a decent guy or 2?
@cavanagh It's fine to think that, but unless you were involved in the conversations between those guys, their reps and CDD, your opinion is baseless. CDD had to rebuild an entire roster, and needed players, so it only makes sense that he'd first look to any guys he could retain that were decent, and he did retain Sisley. I'd say there was something there that CDD didn't like, or those guys were just chasing $$, which I don't think he'd like. You also can't and shouldn't retain players who don't want to be there. I think it's foolish to think CDD determined to flush the entire team. If I recall, Tucker didn't even put his name in the portal until very late and I seem to remember stories of conversations between he and CDD. If he thought they were worth retaining, I'm sure he pursued or explored that.@curtdog I still think we should have kept some guys. Rice Tucker kannan all better options IMO. That’s coaches choice.
@kkott I wasn’t involved but I would bet money it was a DD decision to not have them back. Not keeping anyone is likely to be a coaching decision, not to often that every guy didn’t want to come back to the university, especially IU. Chasing money is out, you really think FAU Maryland and Washington were giving Tucker Rice and Kannan big offers coming off last year? I bet they all took pay cuts.
DD had his reasons they are probably good ones. I’m just saying if it was me I’d rather have any of those three then CE as the back up Pg (that is starting next to our Pg) still don’t know why he is starting now.
I don’t wanna make it seem that I hate this roster. I actually think we have a pretty decent squad it is just CE I wish would be playing 5-10 mins a game. I do think he is one of those scrappers and has value, but that value is in spurts off the bench.
my football seats are right next to Errek Suhr and his family. I have known him forever. I was giving my opinion on CE to him. He looked at me and was like you probably hated me when I was on the team too right? I looked him dead in the eye and was like yes if you were staring I would have hated you lol. I mean I laughed afterwords and said but you weren’t starting and were a valuable piece.
So if all that people say on here come true and he is coming off the bench and getting 10 mins a game in January I’ll be gucci.
@cavanagh and I can almost guarantee that he at least considered keeping some guys, because it's just human nature. Think about it: you take a new sales job and walk in and find some quotes/projects on your desk from the prior sales person... you're tossing them out? One way or another, there was something there that didn't fit, so he did what any competent person does and moved on. If he was just scrubbing it clean and starting over, Tucker would've been in the portal immediately and he would've never toyed with Leal or Goode, and, why then keep Sisley? Fresh start is a popular theory on fan message boards, not from guys who are paid to amass talent and wins ASAP. He evaluated those guys, and something didn't fit.
@cavanagh and I can almost guarantee that he at least considered keeping some guys, because it's just human nature. Think about it: you take a new sales job and walk in and find some quotes/projects on your desk from the prior sales person... you're tossing them out? One way or another, there was something there that didn't fit, so he did what any competent person does and moved on. If he was just scrubbing it clean and starting over, Tucker would've been in the portal immediately. And, why then keep Sisley? Fresh start is a popular theory on fan message boards, not from guys who are paid to amass talent and wins ASAP. He evaluated those guys, and something didn't fit.
It’s simple really.
DD did not “have” to start from scratch. He didn’t “have” to totally rebuild the roster. No, he chose to. And it may be 💯 % the right approach. But, it can’t be used as an excuse. It’s what he chose to do.
@kkott bad example on the sales job. Because yes I throw everything out when I think the guy was a moron. I promise he thought Woodson was a moron.
but maybe it was a good example just not in the way you phrased it. He probably thought he had no idea what he was doing recruiting them. Problem is the assistants did all of that work getting the guys here. I do think they had value and it was just woodys awful coaching that made them play poorly.
@gerdis I'm not using it as an excuse, I'm saying it's foolish to think CDD didn't consider keeping the guys Cav mentioned, and have them on the roster instead of, or along with Enright. We know he did keep Sisley and apparently wanted to keep Leal and Goode. Kind of asinine to say he wanted those guys and didn't consider or look into keeping Rice, Carlyle or Tucker. Cig coming in was about as big a changeover as you can have on a roster short of the death penalty and he evaluated and kept guys he thought could help, despite a very different philosophy than Tom Allen had.
I think he was brought in as a culture guy and wasn’t in the plans to start him but injuries had a part in this. You need guys who know the system and he only had Tucker. I’m going to guess as guys get healthy we might see less of him. Can’t argue with results so far.
@d-b-cooper This is really the most likely answer. And to Cav's question of why he's starting now... that's also probably a simple answer... He feels more comfortable with Enright helping run his offense and helping lead his extended pressure defense, than he does with Sisley and/or Miles, right now.
We'll see what changes, if anything, when Dorn, Drake, and Ristic get healthy. In PR, Ristic was playing during crunch time in a couple of those games. I don't remember if Enright was or not. But with Conerway, Wilkerson, and DeVries being pretty established starters, and end of game rotation guys. It won't take too much to push Enright down in minutes and role.
And then to why none of last year's guys returned... I would guess it was case by case...some of them CDD didn't want back, some of them were "Woody's guys" and didn't want to come back... some of them CDD would take back, but wasn't willing to facilitate their NIL numbers... Quick guesses... Malik and Mack... Woody's guys who didn't give CDD a chance. Rice... too expensive, CDD didn't see the value. Carlyle... not a passing guard, didn't fit CDD's system, CDD didn't want back. Tucker... there was something there, but CDD wasn't willing to promise role or NIL value that Tucker wanted promised... Goode, really wanted because he fit the style, and would have been a good NIL value. Leal, likely knew it was never going to happen, but if it did, they would have figured out the scholarhip/NIL for him to be a part of the team. Gabe Cupps, he knew he could probably get Enright for similar money, who would have a similar impact, knew his system well, was close with Tucker, and wouldn't tie up a scholarship for more than a year. In the end, it sure looks like his first team could not possibly be any more different from Woodson's teams... so while I'm sure some of what I wrote above is pretty close, some isn't...the underlying theme is CDD didn't think the players from last years team fit what he was wanting to start building at IU. At least not enough to pay them the premium money they were already getting.
@kkott bad example on the sales job. Because yes I throw everything out when I think the guy was a moron. I promise he thought Woodson was a moron.
but maybe it was a good example just not in the way you phrased it. He probably thought he had no idea what he was doing recruiting them. Problem is the assistants did all of that work getting the guys here. I do think they had value and it was just woodys awful coaching that made them play poorly.
Cav--question for you. Had he been available, would you have preferred Cupps to Enright?
@iunorth IMO with many of Woody's guys its a style thing like you were saying. Some of them may have talent, but the ball got stuck too much last year. Malik Reneau has talent, but once he gets the ball you can guarantee a shot is going up. This team moves the ball, something we haven't seen here in ahwile, and CE is at least good at getting the ball where it needs to go.
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