What if Mendoza had been injured and out for the season because of that game while Oregon sits at home and benefits from our loss. No one has addressed this point. I get the ratings and the money but it doesn't mean it makes sense ... I for one could care less about winning the conference championship game. The national title is all that matters.
The players, coaches, support people and fans feel much differently than you. Winning the Big Ten championship is a huge deal to them. Injuries stink and there’s risk, just like in any other game.
I was responding to the comment about "don't play any games". But yes we can agree to disagree. And as a fan for sure that game was awesome. But as a coach I'm out. If we sustain injuries in the playoff well that life. But a meaningless game as far as the pursuit of a national title when other teams didn't even play in the game. That's hogwash
How do you replace the money the conferences would lose?
I was responding to the comment about "don't play any games". But yes we can agree to disagree. And as a fan for sure that game was awesome. But as a coach I'm out. If we sustain injuries in the playoff well that life. But a meaningless game as far as the pursuit of a national title when other teams didn't even play in the game. That's hogwash
@hoosiers94 Duke lost 5 games...they went 1-3 in their non-conference. Why did Duke deserve a bid. Tulane beat Duke in the regular season. JMU's only loss was at Louisville who beat Miami at home. I am fine with it. There are not 12 teams in the country that are actual title contenders.
Win games, don't start 0-2, don't lose at Tulane, at UConn and get blown out by Illinois. Or with Virginia win the conference title game and you're in.
The Playoff is super flawed and people want to make it like basketball, but college football is so much different than basketball.
What if Mendoza had been injured and out for the season because of that game while Oregon sits at home and benefits from our loss. No one has addressed this point. I get the ratings and the money but it doesn't mean it makes sense ... I for one could care less about winning the conference championship game. The national title is all that matters.
On Saturday night, you didn't celebrate? Cry? Scream?
I don't really care to live in a world where only a national title matters.
@hoosiers94 Winning a Big Ten title and beating Ohio State is not meaningless and it would seem like that injury didn't happen in the game. What if someone got hurt against Purdue. It was essentially a meaningless game right? IU wrapped up a Playoff spot. Same with Wisconsin? People get hurt in practice too. They can get hit by the A bus or by an out of towner on move in weekend going down the wrong way on Indiana avenue.
It's an extra game and there's always risk, but unless there are major changes and inventory gets replaced this game is not going anywhere. Also, it's football, people get hurt.
What if Mendoza had been injured and out for the season because of that game while Oregon sits at home and benefits from our loss. No one has addressed this point. I get the ratings and the money but it doesn't mean it makes sense ... I for one could care less about winning the conference championship game. The national title is all that matters.
On Saturday night, you didn't celebrate? Cry? Scream?
I don't really care to live in a world where only a national title matters.
Bingo.
College football has never, ever been only about the national title. It's a hyper regional sport that is about rivalries, conference titles and beating teams you've played for 100+ years. Losing in the Playoff takes nothing away from what IU has done this year, nothing.
Quite frankly @hoosiers94 the culture shift to it's natty or bust is terrible for the sport and sports in general. IU won something it hadn't won since 1968 and beat Ohio State for the first time since 1988, if you can't cheer or care about that, maybe this is not the sport for you.
How do you replace the money the conferences would lose?
I was responding to the comment about "don't play any games". But yes we can agree to disagree. And as a fan for sure that game was awesome. But as a coach I'm out. If we sustain injuries in the playoff well that life. But a meaningless game as far as the pursuit of a national title when other teams didn't even play in the game. That's hogwash
You would replace them with "Play-in" games, which solves the money issue, but not the meaninglessness of the game. It's essentially the same thing.
The other option and this will likely never happen is to go back to 10 team conferences and expand the playoff and start the games that weekend. Cash is king though, so until that happens these games are here to stay. ESPN and the CFP caved to the SEC threats of abandoning a title game if Bama was left out.
I was responding to the comment about "don't play any games". But yes we can agree to disagree. And as a fan for sure that game was awesome. But as a coach I'm out. If we sustain injuries in the playoff well that life. But a meaningless game as far as the pursuit of a national title when other teams didn't even play in the game. That's hogwash
What if Mendoza or whoever had gotten hurt vs Purdue and couldn't play in the playoffs? Same thing, in your eyes, since you didn't care about the Big Ten Championship game being clinched by winning that game. Because we were set for the CFP whether we won or lost that game. Guess we should have sat all of our starters against Purdue.
Football players play football. Unless you're ND, then you cry and stay home.
Players can get hurt at any point, and he didn’t even get hurt during the game. You have got to calm down. And sorry, but there is more to college football than just winning the natty. Frankly, I don’t want our football community turning into IU basketball like insanity.No one has answered the injury possibility problem.
What if Mendoza had been injured and out for the season because of that game while Oregon sits at home and benefits from our loss. No one has addressed this point. I get the ratings and the money but it doesn't mean it makes sense ... I for one could care less about winning the conference championship game. The national title is all that matters.
On Saturday night, you didn't celebrate? Cry? Scream?
I don't really care to live in a world where only a national title matters.
Bingo.
College football has never, ever been only about the national title. It's a hyper regional sport that is about rivalries, conference titles and beating teams you've played for 100+ years. Losing in the Playoff takes nothing away from what IU has done this year, nothing.
Quite frankly @hoosiers94 the culture shift to it's natty or bust is terrible for the sport and sports in general. IU won something it hadn't won since 1968 and beat Ohio State for the first time since 1988, if you can't cheer or care about that, maybe this is not the sport for you.
First of all, I never said I didn't enjoy Saturday's victory. Or that I wasn't proud of our team. Never ... my OP was that the conference championship games are unnecessary. I didn't cry though, Jesus it's just a football game, my ego isn't tied to it
Second , Sammy from you, I don't appreciate the condescending remarks. I pay you to be here. Just because you don't like my opinion doesn't give you the right. I'm certain I've watched a few more college football games than you have over the course of my life. I understand injuries and I understand what college football "was". It ain't that anymore. Once the playoff was introduced and players began to be paid that ship sailed .. maybe not for the lower tier conferences but certainly for the Power 4. And you can tell me all you want that these players who now show up to whatever school because they were paid more to do so care as much about these rivalry games as we the fans do you're naive. We as fans have emotion invested over lifetimes. We grew up with it. They didn't in most cases. In some for sure no doubt. The others just want to win no matter who they play.
I see this heading towards more like the NFL, 16 teams. Auto bids for 4 SEC , 4 Big Ten, 3 Big 12, 2 ACC and 3 at large bids, to take care of ND.. who should be forced to join a conference, and to add some interest perhaps for a JMU type of team. This was proposed by someone else earlier.
The NFL doesn't have a division championship game.. you win the division you're in.. others play the wild card. It could mean a team with a few losses gets in, so be it with 16 teams that's going to happen anyway
I also never said Duke deserved to be in the playoff either. I don't think that ..
as far as regular season games , again no different than the NFL, teams sit player s once they have the division wrapped up or home field wrapped up. If they don't they play. That could have been the case for Purdue etc. you have injuries during the regular season or playoff that's life but at least everyone is on a level playing field. Several teams in the playoff didn't have to play that extra game ... that's not equitable .. to allow some teams the extra rest or prep and to share in the income that's an advantage to Oregon or Ole Miss etc
to make up for the lost revenue schedule a 13th game, or go to the 16 team playoff which gives them another weekend for the playoff which quite frankly then may push the conference championship games away anyway
Daly may not have gotten hurt in the game but got hurt celebrating after the game which wouldn't have happened if there was no game. So mute point
National Championship is the goal. If you asked Cig , or Saban or Day behind closed doors they'd tell you the same thing.
if the Bears don't beat the Packers but win the Super Bowl , Ben Johnson isn't getting fired.
Nor is Ryan Day with Michigan if he keeps winning National Championships... it would be nice to beat them and yeah that's a goal every year but I can live with those losses if I win a National Championship. If we never beat Purdue again but won National Titles every 3rd or so year like Alabama I can live with that. Odds are if we are that good that won't happen anyway.
What if Mendoza had been injured and out for the season because of that game while Oregon sits at home and benefits from our loss. No one has addressed this point. I get the ratings and the money but it doesn't mean it makes sense ... I for one could care less about winning the conference championship game. The national title is all that matters.
On Saturday night, you didn't celebrate? Cry? Scream?
I don't really care to live in a world where only a national title matters.
Bingo.
College football has never, ever been only about the national title. It's a hyper regional sport that is about rivalries, conference titles and beating teams you've played for 100+ years. Losing in the Playoff takes nothing away from what IU has done this year, nothing.
Quite frankly @hoosiers94 the culture shift to it's natty or bust is terrible for the sport and sports in general. IU won something it hadn't won since 1968 and beat Ohio State for the first time since 1988, if you can't cheer or care about that, maybe this is not the sport for you.
First of all, I never said I didn't enjoy Saturday's victory. Or that I wasn't proud of our team. Never ... my OP was that the conference championship games are unnecessary. I didn't cry though, Jesus it's just a football game, my ego isn't tied to it
Second , Sammy from you, I don't appreciate the condescending remarks. I pay you to be here. Just because you don't like my opinion doesn't give you the right. I'm certain I've watched a few more college football games than you have over the course of my life. I understand injuries and I understand what college football "was". It ain't that anymore. Once the playoff was introduced and players began to be paid that ship sailed .. maybe not for the lower tier conferences but certainly for the Power 4. And you can tell me all you want that these players who now show up to whatever school because they were paid more to do so care as much about these rivalry games as we the fans do you're naive. We as fans have emotion invested over lifetimes. We grew up with it. They didn't in most cases. In some for sure no doubt. The others just want to win no matter who they play.
I see this heading towards more like the NFL, 16 teams. Auto bids for 4 SEC , 4 Big Ten, 3 Big 12, 2 ACC and 3 at large bids, to take care of ND.. who should be forced to join a conference, and to add some interest perhaps for a JMU type of team. This was proposed by someone else earlier.
The NFL doesn't have a division championship game.. you win the division you're in.. others play the wild card. It could mean a team with a few losses gets in, so be it with 16 teams that's going to happen anywayI also never said Duke deserved to be in the playoff either. I don't think that ..
as far as regular season games , again no different than the NFL, teams sit player s once they have the division wrapped up or home field wrapped up. If they don't they play. That could have been the case for Purdue etc. you have injuries during the regular season or playoff that's life but at least everyone is on a level playing field. Several teams in the playoff didn't have to play that extra game ... that's not equitable .. to allow some teams the extra rest or prep and to share in the income that's an advantage to Oregon or Ole Miss etc
to make up for the lost revenue schedule a 13th game, or go to the 16 team playoff which gives them another weekend for the playoff which quite frankly then may push the conference championship games away anyway
Daly may not have gotten hurt in the game but got hurt celebrating after the game which wouldn't have happened if there was no game. So mute point
National Championship is the goal. If you asked Cig , or Saban or Day behind closed doors they'd tell you the same thing.
if the Bears don't beat the Packers but win the Super Bowl , Ben Johnson isn't getting fired.
Nor is Ryan Day with Michigan if he keeps winning National Championships... it would be nice to beat them and yeah that's a goal every year but I can live with those losses if I win a National Championship. If we never beat Purdue again but won National Titles every 3rd or so year like Alabama I can live with that. Odds are if we are that good that won't happen anyway.
The goal of the players and coaches is to win both the Big Ten and the NC, not just the latter. You might think the former is immaterial, but many of us who have followed the program much longer than you have don’t share that view.
yeah but he wasn't. He was hurt celebrating in a game that if not played it wouldn't have happened
What if Mendoza had been injured and out for the season because of that game while Oregon sits at home and benefits from our loss. No one has addressed this point. I get the ratings and the money but it doesn't mean it makes sense ... I for one could care less about winning the conference championship game. The national title is all that matters.
On Saturday night, you didn't celebrate? Cry? Scream?
I don't really care to live in a world where only a national title matters.
Bingo.
College football has never, ever been only about the national title. It's a hyper regional sport that is about rivalries, conference titles and beating teams you've played for 100+ years. Losing in the Playoff takes nothing away from what IU has done this year, nothing.
Quite frankly @hoosiers94 the culture shift to it's natty or bust is terrible for the sport and sports in general. IU won something it hadn't won since 1968 and beat Ohio State for the first time since 1988, if you can't cheer or care about that, maybe this is not the sport for you.
First of all, I never said I didn't enjoy Saturday's victory. Or that I wasn't proud of our team. Never ... my OP was that the conference championship games are unnecessary. I didn't cry though, Jesus it's just a football game, my ego isn't tied to it
Second , Sammy from you, I don't appreciate the condescending remarks. I pay you to be here. Just because you don't like my opinion doesn't give you the right. I'm certain I've watched a few more college football games than you have over the course of my life. I understand injuries and I understand what college football "was". It ain't that anymore. Once the playoff was introduced and players began to be paid that ship sailed .. maybe not for the lower tier conferences but certainly for the Power 4. And you can tell me all you want that these players who now show up to whatever school because they were paid more to do so care as much about these rivalry games as we the fans do you're naive. We as fans have emotion invested over lifetimes. We grew up with it. They didn't in most cases. In some for sure no doubt. The others just want to win no matter who they play.
I see this heading towards more like the NFL, 16 teams. Auto bids for 4 SEC , 4 Big Ten, 3 Big 12, 2 ACC and 3 at large bids, to take care of ND.. who should be forced to join a conference, and to add some interest perhaps for a JMU type of team. This was proposed by someone else earlier.
The NFL doesn't have a division championship game.. you win the division you're in.. others play the wild card. It could mean a team with a few losses gets in, so be it with 16 teams that's going to happen anywayI also never said Duke deserved to be in the playoff either. I don't think that ..
as far as regular season games , again no different than the NFL, teams sit player s once they have the division wrapped up or home field wrapped up. If they don't they play. That could have been the case for Purdue etc. you have injuries during the regular season or playoff that's life but at least everyone is on a level playing field. Several teams in the playoff didn't have to play that extra game ... that's not equitable .. to allow some teams the extra rest or prep and to share in the income that's an advantage to Oregon or Ole Miss etc
to make up for the lost revenue schedule a 13th game, or go to the 16 team playoff which gives them another weekend for the playoff which quite frankly then may push the conference championship games away anyway
Daly may not have gotten hurt in the game but got hurt celebrating after the game which wouldn't have happened if there was no game. So mute point
National Championship is the goal. If you asked Cig , or Saban or Day behind closed doors they'd tell you the same thing.
if the Bears don't beat the Packers but win the Super Bowl , Ben Johnson isn't getting fired.
Nor is Ryan Day with Michigan if he keeps winning National Championships... it would be nice to beat them and yeah that's a goal every year but I can live with those losses if I win a National Championship. If we never beat Purdue again but won National Titles every 3rd or so year like Alabama I can live with that. Odds are if we are that good that won't happen anyway.
The goal of the players and coaches is to win both the Big Ten and the NC, not just the latter. You might think the former is immaterial, but many of us who have followed the program much longer than you have don’t share that view.
I don't know how old you are... I'm 54. I've followed my whole life ... to say we were big Ten champs and then look over my shoulder to see OSU or Michigan or Purdue holding a National Championship trophy kind of sours the latter. It's the ultimate. It's the Super Bowl the rest is like kissing your sister
@hoosiers94 You're way out in front of yourself here. First, we don't know the extent of the injury. We don't know how many games, if any, he'll miss. We don't know what the outcome of any of the remaining games will be, irrespective of Daley's status.
It sounds like you're conceding the national championship. I'm not, and I'm sure as hell certain that Cignetti and the team aren't.