You guys put too much value on the early CFP rankings. They meant nothing. They're a TV event for a few weeks. Nothing more.
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Not so fast, my friend.
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Your point about it being a TV event is valid, but it also tends to back the committee into a corner, unable/unwilling to make significant adjustments week in and week out. Even if the early assessments prove to be out of wack, they still hold some weight and make it difficult for early favorites to drop very far or for early nobodies to make a big jump up.
They need to do away with them altogether. The teams don't need to be concerned with their position in these "rankings." Just win and let the chips fall.
You guys put too much value on the early CFP rankings. They meant nothing. They're a TV event for a few weeks. Nothing more.
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Not so fast, my friend.
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Your point about it being a TV event is valid, but it also tends to back the committee into a corner, unable/unwilling to make significant adjustments week in and week out. Even if the early assessments prove to be out of wack, they still hold some weight and make it difficult for early favorites to drop very far or for early nobodies to make a big jump up.
They need to do away with them altogether. The teams don't need to be concerned with their position in these "rankings." Just win and let the chips fall.
This is correct. Let the pundits and fans speculate about the CFP rankings all year, but don't give them an actual ranking to put any weight on. They should publish one and only one ranking - the one that matters at the end.
Georgia, Oklahoma, and Florida State. Two top 10 teams and one bad one. Eliminate the conference championship, and one bad team and one Top 10 team. NDs losses might be a bit better, but Bama's wins are MUCH better. I don't know who you've been listening to, but they all mention this.You guys put too much value on the early CFP rankings. They meant nothing. They're a TV event for a few weeks. Nothing more.It was obvious to everyone after Saturday's games that there were 3 teams for 2 spots: ND, Bama, and Miami.
Personally I would have left out Alabama, not just for the blowout loss to Georgia but also for barely beating an bad Auburn team in the game before, losing to FSU, and being a 3 loss team. Miami > ND > Bama.
But the committee apparently valued strength of schedule above all else and put Bama in.
Then, that decision made... it was Miami and ND for one spot, and logically their head-to-head game mattered. Why did it not seem to matter in earlier rankings? Because it was never an either-or choice, then. It was 3-5 teams in a pack and there was obviously no round robin head-to-head or even a critical mass of common opponents, so other things were considered.
On the overall season, who did ND beat? Who did Alabama beat? I notice no one arguing ND got screwed is mentioning this.
Who did Alabama lose to? I notice no one who thinks it’s good that they’re in and ND is out mention this.
I have no love for Bama or the SEC. I actually grew up a ND (and IU) fan. But to me, ND did not get screwed.
Georgia, Oklahoma, and Florida State. Two top 10 teams and one bad one. Eliminate the conference championship, and one bad team and one Top 10 team. NDs losses might be a bit better, but Bama's wins are MUCH better. I don't know who you've been listening to, but they all mention this.You guys put too much value on the early CFP rankings. They meant nothing. They're a TV event for a few weeks. Nothing more.It was obvious to everyone after Saturday's games that there were 3 teams for 2 spots: ND, Bama, and Miami.
Personally I would have left out Alabama, not just for the blowout loss to Georgia but also for barely beating an bad Auburn team in the game before, losing to FSU, and being a 3 loss team. Miami > ND > Bama.
But the committee apparently valued strength of schedule above all else and put Bama in.
Then, that decision made... it was Miami and ND for one spot, and logically their head-to-head game mattered. Why did it not seem to matter in earlier rankings? Because it was never an either-or choice, then. It was 3-5 teams in a pack and there was obviously no round robin head-to-head or even a critical mass of common opponents, so other things were considered.
On the overall season, who did ND beat? Who did Alabama beat? I notice no one arguing ND got screwed is mentioning this.
Who did Alabama lose to? I notice no one who thinks it’s good that they’re in and ND is out mention this.
I have no love for Bama or the SEC. I actually grew up a ND (and IU) fan. But to me, ND did not get screwed.
If you’re one of the 12 best teams and the committee is trying to fill the field with the 12 best teams, they got screwed. Alabama got thumped badly by UGA and, with three losses, showed they don’t belong. The notion that making the conference championship game makes a team immune from elimination with a bad performance is faulty, in my view. It’s why they’re basically guaranteed a spot going forward and one of the reasons the field will have to be expanded sooner rather than later. As ND just confirmed, the bowls outside of the CFP are a non-starter for nearly every school, since opt outs will strip teams of multiple players.
Well done, CFP committee.
So change the rules in the middle of the year?Like others have said, join a conference.
There’s really no question that ND is one of the 12 best teams in college football, but entry into the playoff isn’t really geared toward amassing the top 12. Their reality is governed by their refusal to join a conference. Until they do, they’re going to be vulnerable to exclusion from the tournament unless the rules are altered (expansion or qualifiers).
The playoff system is rewarding winning. That is an objective way to determine a top 12, more than just saying "wow, ND is playing great right now".
Other than us, what other team has won their last 10 besides ND? Their two losses were by single digits to two playoff teams. Do you really believe JMU and Tulane are better than ND? I’m not a Domer by any stretch of the imagination, but neither of those two teams would stay close to ND.
Exactly…take Tulane and JMU out and put the teams that are rightly #11 and #12 in the bracket. Now JMU is going to fly across the country and get smoked while no one watches the 7:30 playoff game. These people could have Sydney Sweeney naked and not know what to do
No. I didn’t say that. The rules need changed. There is no doubt Notre Dame is better than Tulane or JMU. Hell…Georgia Tech should be in before them.
@boogie ... I agree that conference championship games are no longer needed but, a loss is a loss, and the way GA beat down Bama in the SEC championship game proved the Tide wasn't good enough to be considered in the title hunt. They should never ignore the results of one game and act as if it didn't happen....
If OSU had smothered IU the same way GA did to Bama the selection committee would have hammered IU down to a 4 seed for sure and possibly even a 5 seed....
If teams are going to be penalized for a loss in a conference championship game, teams will just opt out of them if a loss is going to hurt them.
What would you rather have, a conference title or a chance at the national title? I know which one I want out team to go for in that scenario, and if a loss in a conference championship is what would drop us out, I'd have no problem with them skipping the game.
You guys put too much value on the early CFP rankings. They meant nothing. They're a TV event for a few weeks. Nothing more.It was obvious to everyone after Saturday's games that there were 3 teams for 2 spots: ND, Bama, and Miami.
Personally I would have left out Alabama, not just for the blowout loss to Georgia but also for barely beating an bad Auburn team in the game before, losing to FSU, and being a 3 loss team. Miami > ND > Bama.
But the committee apparently valued strength of schedule above all else and put Bama in.
Then, that decision made... it was Miami and ND for one spot, and logically their head-to-head game mattered. Why did it not seem to matter in earlier rankings? Because it was never an either-or choice, then. It was 3-5 teams in a pack and there was obviously no round robin head-to-head or even a critical mass of common opponents, so other things were considered.
On the overall season, who did ND beat? Who did Alabama beat? I notice no one arguing ND got screwed is mentioning this.
Who did Alabama lose to? I notice no one who thinks it’s good that they’re in and ND is out mention this.
Yes, Bama had a worse loss, but they absolutely had better wins. ND beat USC, that's it. Bama beat Georgia in Georgia and smacked Vandy. They also beat Tennessee.
I know I'm being annoying with my multiple shots at the Irish, but I'm simply following one of my life principles: If you have an opening, you empty the chamber at Notre Dame.
You're framing the question incorrectly. The committee isn't trying to field the best 12 teams in the sense of the 12 teams that have the best shot to win a playoff. They aren't even filling it with the 12 best teams with the best resumes, since JMU and Tulane earned auto bids.Georgia, Oklahoma, and Florida State. Two top 10 teams and one bad one. Eliminate the conference championship, and one bad team and one Top 10 team. NDs losses might be a bit better, but Bama's wins are MUCH better. I don't know who you've been listening to, but they all mention this.You guys put too much value on the early CFP rankings. They meant nothing. They're a TV event for a few weeks. Nothing more.It was obvious to everyone after Saturday's games that there were 3 teams for 2 spots: ND, Bama, and Miami.
Personally I would have left out Alabama, not just for the blowout loss to Georgia but also for barely beating an bad Auburn team in the game before, losing to FSU, and being a 3 loss team. Miami > ND > Bama.
But the committee apparently valued strength of schedule above all else and put Bama in.
Then, that decision made... it was Miami and ND for one spot, and logically their head-to-head game mattered. Why did it not seem to matter in earlier rankings? Because it was never an either-or choice, then. It was 3-5 teams in a pack and there was obviously no round robin head-to-head or even a critical mass of common opponents, so other things were considered.
On the overall season, who did ND beat? Who did Alabama beat? I notice no one arguing ND got screwed is mentioning this.
Who did Alabama lose to? I notice no one who thinks it’s good that they’re in and ND is out mention this.
I have no love for Bama or the SEC. I actually grew up a ND (and IU) fan. But to me, ND did not get screwed.
If you’re one of the 12 best teams and the committee is trying to fill the field with the 12 best teams, they got screwed. Alabama got thumped badly by UGA and, with three losses, showed they don’t belong. The notion that making the conference championship game makes a team immune from elimination with a bad performance is faulty, in my view. It’s why they’re basically guaranteed a spot going forward and one of the reasons the field will have to be expanded sooner rather than later. As ND just confirmed, the bowls outside of the CFP are a non-starter for nearly every school, since opt outs will strip teams of multiple players.
As outlined on the College Football Playoff website, “The 12 participating teams will be the five conference champions ranked highest by the CFP selection committee, plus the next seven highest-ranked schools.”
This is correct. Let the pundits and fans speculate about the CFP rankings all year, but don't give them an actual ranking to put any weight on. They should publish one and only one ranking - the one that matters at the end.
So is the argument that the AP, ESPN, USA Today, etc... aren't allowed to put out a poll? If it is, how are you gonna enforce that?
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So change the rules in the middle of the year?Like others have said, join a conference.
There’s really no question that ND is one of the 12 best teams in college football, but entry into the playoff isn’t really geared toward amassing the top 12. Their reality is governed by their refusal to join a conference. Until they do, they’re going to be vulnerable to exclusion from the tournament unless the rules are altered (expansion or qualifiers).
The playoff system is rewarding winning. That is an objective way to determine a top 12, more than just saying "wow, ND is playing great right now".
Other than us, what other team has won their last 10 besides ND? Their two losses were by single digits to two playoff teams. Do you really believe JMU and Tulane are better than ND? I’m not a Domer by any stretch of the imagination, but neither of those two teams would stay close to ND.
Exactly…take Tulane and JMU out and put the teams that are rightly #11 and #12 in the bracket. Now JMU is going to fly across the country and get smoked while no one watches the 7:30 playoff game. These people could have Sydney Sweeney naked and not know what to do
No. I didn’t say that. The rules need changed. There is no doubt Notre Dame is better than Tulane or JMU. Hell…Georgia Tech should be in before them.
or vandy, byu, usc, iowa, texas, etc.....