The NCAA asking congress to do something may be like having Moe ask Larry and Curly to fix his issues
I've said it elsewhere, if you think it's screwed up now, just wait until these morons pass legislation or we end up with an EO on it.
I'm reminded of the quote attributed to Milton Friedman "If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in five years there’d be a shortage of sand."
The best way to fix it is for the schools (coaches and ADs specifically) to either blow up the NCAA or just drop their membership, and do it themselves
Hope is not optimism, which expects things to turn out well, but something rooted in the conviction that there is good worth working for. - Seamus Heaney, Irish poet and likely Hoosier basketball fan.
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The NCAA is a spineless organization that has been pissing itself nonstop since it lost the suit that led to NIL. They've never had the guts to truly enforce rules on the "blue bloods", even when its obvious.
If anything, Moore is a target because iU football has exposed how broken the old system was because the playing field has leveled immensely and its no longer the pay under the table top dogs running the show.
There's no way they have a case for appeal. Moore fits the new 5-year rule. He would have exhausted his eligibility according to the old rule last season, so therefore he fits the criteria to have been eligible this year.
Burn the NCAA down.
@812jmac legally they have and everyone has the right to an appeal as long as there is a legal basis. They’re arguing that the case shouldn’t have been rendered moot. They’re may not win, but you can’t just appeal because you didn’t like the outcome.
The NCAA fumbled all of this with inaction. We all saw NIL coming a mile away and they didn’t put in guardrails.
@hooky well the schools are the NCAA.
Yep. The FBS schools should just pull the plug and start over in revenue sports. They've already neutered them when it comes to the CFP. Take the basketball tournament in the same direction. There has to be a way to transition all sports to another governing body over time.
Hope is not optimism, which expects things to turn out well, but something rooted in the conviction that there is good worth working for. - Seamus Heaney, Irish poet and likely Hoosier basketball fan.
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@thehoosierhuddle so you're saying Pate might do the face slap or eye poke on the Donald? I'll tune in.
If you haven't heard them, a couple of Pate's "apology" to Hoosiers have been pretty fun to listen too. After the Peach Bowl and NC games.
@kkott I didn’t hear them, but saw he put on a clown nose.
He reviews the Peach Bowl game and OR and then talks about Hoosier Nation starting around 9:30 and that's fun to listen to. :
Here's the clown nose IN apology, which is terrific:
https://youtube.com/shorts/ivJ_-FnR1Pc?si=ROTOT1mtBbZWqb9d
@812jmac legally they have and everyone has the right to an appeal as long as there is a legal basis. They’re arguing that the case shouldn’t have been rendered moot. They’re may not win, but you can’t just appeal because you didn’t like the outcome.
The NCAA fumbled all of this with inaction. We all saw NIL coming a mile away and they didn’t put in guardrails.
Couldn't read the ON3 story, so not sure I have the full story here., but from what I've read the NCAA didn't lose the case on the merits, so an 'appeal' would be premature.
As I understand matters, Moore's attorneys voluntarily dismissed their case without prejudice, meaning it could be renewed by him or, presumably, continued by the NCAA to a conclusion.
What I don't understand is that there was originally already a 5 hour hearing on the matter. The Judge apparently had the option to make a ruling on the merits, but instead chose just to continue the injunction, and schedule another hearing for after the season. Why would they want to have another hearing before the same judge? Seems likely he'd rule against the NCAA.
What's also strange is that Moore and his attorneys have zero financial interest in going to court again. He's already won as far as they are concerned, from his perspective. The NCAA has an incentive to proceed with a trial so they have finality concerning the rule (unless they just want to drop their opposition, which doesn't appear to be the case).
While Moore has no financial stake in the outcome IU, and to a lesser extent, SDS and Memphis, sure do. If there is to be a trial, I would think IU would want to intervene to be named a party to the case, given that the school has now been threatened by the NCAA. IU could argue 2 points 1. Moore should win on the merits, and 2. IU, Memphis, and SDS had no legal right to deny participation to the players once the injunction/waivers were granted. To punish these affected schools under these circumstances would be arbitrary punishment/revenge in the extreme. Thus, the rule should only be confirmed to have effect going forward.
I understand the NCAA's desire to stand up for their rule. What I don't understand is why they want to punish IU, SDS, and Memphis. None of the Us were a party to the lawsuits. And as someone pointed out, the NCAA issued a blanket waiver of the rule for all players potentially affected for last season. Are these the only three players that benefitted from the waiver? If not, why wouldn't very school who benefited from the rule have to FF their wins? Also, would Vandy/Pavia be affected by a ruling favoring the NCAA? Was his case appealed? (Don't know...haven't looked at it that closely).
To me, the NCAA probably loses anyway, but I would think their best legal position would be to say we don't intend to enforce the rule for 2025-26, but only going forward. I thought that was the message they delivered with their waiver.
@thehoosierhuddle I'll leave your statement about Trump alone (you should know better that to say that here), but why the love for Pate? Wasn't he one of the biggest blowhards all season long about IU football not playing anyone? I'd never heard the little dweeb before this year, but he was not very impressive at all. Not very well educated either.
@kkott Pretty funny. But why does he assume Indiana fans have any idea who he is? I'm guessing 95% of the folks he ran into had no clue. I wouldn't have.
@bucketgetter I am allowed to not like someone, just like you're allowed to like some one and I'll leave it at that.
Pate talks college football year round. I am a college football fan. I love talking and listening to college football takes 24/7/365 (hence why I created an IUFB only site in 2013). Do I agree with everything he says? No, but that's what life is...to some at least. It's good to get out of the echo chamber as well.
Pate also listed IU as like the No. 2 program currently in CFB so he's done a 180.
@thehoosierhuddle Agreed. But anything even remotely political these days is likely to highjack a thread. I'll give Pate the benefit of the doubt, for now. Is Finebaum a favorite too?
@bucketgetter fair and no. I don't listen or watch him. The pods I go to are Cover3, The 440 (Athlon's old pod but may be out on them) and other independent site's like ours. I am adding the Bill and Doug show to my rotation same with Joel Klatt
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