@unclemark This will tell us exactly who Cig is though won't it? How many coaches "entertain" other offers only to get their current salary boosted? It's totally within his ethical right to entertain a PSU offer and throw it on Scott's desk. But, will he? With what IU just did, 8 mil per year through 2032, plus a 1 mil retention bonus per year, is as good or better than what Franklin currently had - base salary of $500,000, supplemental pay of $6.5 million, and a $1 million annual life insurance loan, totaling about $8 million annually before bonuses and incentives.
So, no - Cig's not leaving. As I said in another thread, anyone would be an idiot to take that job, unless its only about the $$.
Interesting quote from Manny Diaz today when talking about Franklins firing. He directly mentions Indiana, but not by name.
“There's another aspect to this as well. I think the other thing that showed up this weekend is what yousaw in Eugene, Oregon. If you have a university that is aligned from top to bottom and wants to play championship football, you can have a championship football program anywhere. That doesn't mean win a championship because everybody wants to win a championship. But you can compete for championships anywhere now. The landscape has changed. There are legacy brands who believe that that you still have to go to a legacy brand and that's the only place that it can happen. That for a long time was true. I don't believe that that's true anymore.“
https://twitter.com/hall2026/status/1977448716509605895
https://247sports.com/Player/jaziel-hart-46148887/
Our guys are having some fun with this stuff.
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@unclemark I pastored in Pennsylvania for 7 yrs around Harrisburg. That is PSU country. Those people are nuts. They truly haven't gotten over Paterno and I think Franklin was judged all the time by Paterno's accomplishments more than his own.
While I regarded God as a tyrant I thought my sin a trifle; But when I knew Him to be my Father, then I mourned that I could ever have kicked against Him. When I thought God was hard, I found it easy to sin; but when I found God so kind, so good, so overflowing with compassion, I smote upon my breast to think that I could ever have rebelled against One who loved me so, and sought my good.” C. H. Spurgeon
@olympian97 Let's say IU won 9 games next year. What IU fan would want him fired? I see IU as the best long term position from Coach Cig because you go to Nebraska as Bo Polini and average 9 wins a year and they fire him.
While I regarded God as a tyrant I thought my sin a trifle; But when I knew Him to be my Father, then I mourned that I could ever have kicked against Him. When I thought God was hard, I found it easy to sin; but when I found God so kind, so good, so overflowing with compassion, I smote upon my breast to think that I could ever have rebelled against One who loved me so, and sought my good.” C. H. Spurgeon
It’s just a defense mechanism to say losing Cig is inevitable. If you prepare yourself for the disappointment then worse case you are pleasantly surprised if you’re wrong. I won’t hate on anyone for expressing how they cope with that fear. I’m trying to take the more optimistic approach and believe in the idea that times have changed and great coaches like Cig no longer feel a need to leave a job unfinished to go to a program with better tradition. IU may not seat 100k+, but we have the largest alumni base and resources to meet his every request. I choose to believe Cig will retire a Hoosier and if I’m wrong I will be sad, but for now I choose to believe he will stay.
In the event he does decide to go I hope we make Haines our coach. I just like him as a coach and think he is an elite football mind like Cig. The only downside is he doesn’t mark all the check boxes of what Dolson was looking for when he found Cig being a defensive coach and I don’t see he has ever been a recruiting coordinator. So, in that regard it seems unlikely, but that would be my ideal backup plan.
Here's the thing.....IF Cig DID leave, we are so screwed. Cig takes our 12 best players/recruits with him, and we go from 1B (OSU being 1A) to 16, 17 or 18. And.....how would YOU like to follow Cig at IU in that situation?? If we go undefeated in the regular season and our D puts up great #s, imo Haines would be crazy to take the IU job, although he'd be our obvious first choice. He'd be in a rebuilding situation, and the expectation level has been set by the master rebuilder. At the least, you'd have to overpay for his services.
So.......I say sell Ballantine Hall if you have to to keep the guy. Without doubt, he should be the highest paid college coach in the country.
It’s just a defense mechanism to say losing Cig is inevitable. If you prepare yourself for the disappointment then worse case you are pleasantly surprised if you’re wrong. I won’t hate on anyone for expressing how they cope with that fear. I’m trying to take the more optimistic approach and believe in the idea that times have changed and great coaches like Cig no longer feel a need to leave a job unfinished to go to a program with better tradition. IU may not seat 100k+, but we have the largest alumni base and resources to meet his every request. I choose to believe Cig will retire a Hoosier and if I’m wrong I will be sad, but for now I choose to believe he will stay.
In the event he does decide to go I hope we make Haines our coach. I just like him as a coach and think he is an elite football mind like Cig. The only downside is he doesn’t mark all the check boxes of what Dolson was looking for when he found Cig being a defensive coach and I don’t see he has ever been a recruiting coordinator. So, in that regard it seems unlikely, but that would be my ideal backup plan.
Here's the thing.....IF Cig DID leave, we are so screwed. Cig takes our 12 best players/recruits with him, and we go from 1B (OSU being 1A) to 16, 17 or 18. And.....how would YOU like to follow Cig at IU in that situation?? If we go undefeated in the regular season and our D puts up great #s, imo Haines would be crazy to take the IU job, although he'd be our obvious first choice. He'd be in a rebuilding situation, and the expectation level has been set by the master rebuilder. At the least, you'd have to overpay for his services.
So.......I say sell Ballantine Hall if you have to to keep the guy. Without doubt, he should be the highest paid college coach in the country.
Loser's mentality.
And IF he leaves (he's not), it won't be because we didn't match the terms financially.
I think Cignetti wants to win here, that is why he has been so aggressive in forcing IU to continually increase its commitment to and investment in football. So far the administration has done so, but they can’t ever stop.
@tammany Another factor... no matter how much success Cignetti has at IU, he'll always be in the "proving everyone wrong" stage. And I kind of think that fits his personality, he likes it, and with that feeling and dynamic, comes less outside pressure for him to win every single game. At PSU, he'd be instantly expected to win National Titles. I don't think those expectations would scare Cig away from PSU, but the whole approach and mentality would... the expectations PSU would have, would take away a huge part of his personality and approach.
Having said all that... it ain't easy turning down all the money, and all the things that PSU would offer someone like Cignetti. He's a football guy... when they come with the salary, the budget for guys like Haines and Shanahan to take the next step in their careers and come be coordinators at PSU...the stadium, set to get three quarters of a BILLION dollar facelift, it'll all be very impressive... I wouldn't be shocked to wake up the day after our season ends to read headlines..."Penn State too good of an opportunity to pass up for Cignetti."
So... like with our current team, that's a few key injuries away from coming down to earth a little bit... I'll just enjoy the ride while its happening. Even if he stays, I still question how sustainable THIS level of success is for him, at IU. When the impactful JMU guys leave, after this year, can he replicate what he's doing now?
cig has an eye for football guys who know how to compete and knows how to coach them up
that and the rep that he's created will guarantee he has the talent to work with
what is it now, 16 seasons without a losing record? he knows what he's doing....
I'm not worried
" ... How many coaches “entertain” other offers only to get their current salary boosted?..."
Bryant Haines did.
I suspect Dolson will do what he did before, and be proactive about salary and retention of staff.
It’s just a defense mechanism to say losing Cig is inevitable. If you prepare yourself for the disappointment then worse case you are pleasantly surprised if you’re wrong. I won’t hate on anyone for expressing how they cope with that fear. I’m trying to take the more optimistic approach and believe in the idea that times have changed and great coaches like Cig no longer feel a need to leave a job unfinished to go to a program with better tradition. IU may not seat 100k+, but we have the largest alumni base and resources to meet his every request. I choose to believe Cig will retire a Hoosier and if I’m wrong I will be sad, but for now I choose to believe he will stay.
In the event he does decide to go I hope we make Haines our coach. I just like him as a coach and think he is an elite football mind like Cig. The only downside is he doesn’t mark all the check boxes of what Dolson was looking for when he found Cig being a defensive coach and I don’t see he has ever been a recruiting coordinator. So, in that regard it seems unlikely, but that would be my ideal backup plan.
Here's the thing.....IF Cig DID leave, we are so screwed. Cig takes our 12 best players/recruits with him, and we go from 1B (OSU being 1A) to 16, 17 or 18. And.....how would YOU like to follow Cig at IU in that situation?? If we go undefeated in the regular season and our D puts up great #s, imo Haines would be crazy to take the IU job, although he'd be our obvious first choice. He'd be in a rebuilding situation, and the expectation level has been set by the master rebuilder. At the least, you'd have to overpay for his services.
So.......I say sell Ballantine Hall if you have to to keep the guy. Without doubt, he should be the highest paid college coach in the country.
Loser's mentality.
And IF he leaves (he's not), it won't be because we didn't match the terms financially.
Reality. And you don't know whether or not he'll leave; nor do I.
OK, now let's get some of those Penn State decommits.
Go Cig!
Well that takes care of all those worries. Phew
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