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Posted by: @bradstevens

My son told me they were learning about the American Revolution.  "Dad, did you know Thomas Jefferson was a rapist?"  

"Oof, that seems harsh, bruh."

"That's what our teacher said.  Slaves can't consent to rape and he was a hypocrite for writing the Declaration of Independence."  

"Does that diminish the Dec. of Ind. in your eyes, then? The personal morality of the author?"  

Pause.  "Kinda."   

https://www.monticello.org/slavery/jefferson-slavery/thomas-jefferson-and-sally-hemings-a-brief-account/

Thats just piss poor education.  

If you were to ask your son  what place the US Declaration of Independence has in the course of U.S. or World History, what do you think he would say?  

Does he even know that Jefferson’s first draft abolished slavery?  Does he know that if the abolition clause wasn’t removed there would probably be no United States?

 


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Posted : 10/13/2025 8:20 pm
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Posted by: @jdb

But, the obsession of liberal arts profs to drag everyone in history through the mud by making up theories based on modest or circumstantial evidence really irks me.

The evidence supporting the Jefferson/Hemmings "relationship" is hardly modest or circumstantial. DNA doesn't lie.

While it was known from the beginning, many otherwise preeminent Jefferson scholars refused to concede the connection until they no longer could. And as Jefferson had been anointed to nearly saintly status among the Founders, it became that much harder to swallow. Owning slaves was one thing, but fathering children (raping?) with your "livestock" was something different altogether.

 


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Posted : 10/13/2025 8:27 pm
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Do you really think the fact that many founders owned slaves is a wart? At best that was a pimple.  For me a wart has to be material and has to impact the course of history. The slavery debate by the Continental Congress triggered a slavery debate that never let up until the 13 Amendment. Dredd Scott is a wart. Calhoun’s politics is a wart. Not the founders.  Even with that, subsequent to July 4 1776, slavery went away in many states.  

 


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Posted : 10/13/2025 8:27 pm
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@unclemark 

The Jefferson/Hemmings “relationship” is a historical nothingburger.  It’s part of the leftist objective of diminishing important people and their accomplishments. . 


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Posted : 10/13/2025 8:30 pm
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@aloha-hoosier 

Do you really think the fact that many founders owned slaves is a wart? At best that was a pimple.  For me a wart has to be material and has to impact the course of history. The slavery debate by the Continental Congress triggered a slavery debate that never let up until the 13 Amendment. Dredd Scott is a wart. Calhoun’s politics is a wart. Not the founders.  Even with that, subsequent to July 4 1776, slavery went away in many states.  

The "wart" is the fathering of children with his house slave, which was not uncommon but was something that people who revered Jefferson just couldn't bring themselves to acknowledge.

 


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Posted : 10/13/2025 8:31 pm
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Posted by: @co-hoosier

@unclemark 

The Jefferson/Hemmings “relationship” is a historical nothingburger.  It’s part of the leftist objective of diminishing important people and their accomplishments. . 

So facts be damned...

 


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Posted : 10/13/2025 8:32 pm
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@goat 

I think you are seriously diminishing the importance and impact of the U.S. Declaration of Independence from the Brits  and their king, and what followed that declaration.  It truly changed world history.  


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Posted : 10/13/2025 8:33 pm
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Posted by: @co-hoosier

Does he even know that Jefferson’s first draft abolished slavery?

Hold up, that's an extremely important misstatement on your part. Jefferson drafted as part of the indictment against George that he was a slaver, and denounced his introduction of the slave trade to America. But it in no way purported to "abolish" slavery, which TJ would have considered far outside the purview of the job he was given.

 


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Posted : 10/13/2025 8:39 pm
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@goat 

I think you are seriously diminishing the importance and impact of the U.S. Declaration of Independence from the Brits  and their king, and what followed that declaration.  It truly changed world history.  

I don't think you bothered to read my post.

 


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Posted : 10/13/2025 8:41 pm
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@aloha-hoosier 

Do you really think the fact that many founders owned slaves is a wart? At best that was a pimple.  For me a wart has to be material and has to impact the course of history. The slavery debate by the Continental Congress triggered a slavery debate that never let up until the 13 Amendment. Dredd Scott is a wart. Calhoun’s politics is a wart. Not the founders.  Even with that, subsequent to July 4 1776, slavery went away in many states.  

 

Do you seriously want to argue about warts and pimples? It’s entirely subjective which is worse. I pass.

 


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Posted : 10/13/2025 8:42 pm
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Posted by: @co-hoosier

@goat 

I think you are seriously diminishing the importance and impact of the U.S. Declaration of Independence from the Brits  and their king, and what followed that declaration.  It truly changed world history.  

I don't think you bothered to read my post.

 


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Posted : 10/13/2025 8:44 pm
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Posted by: @co-hoosier

@aloha-hoosier 

Do you really think the fact that many founders owned slaves is a wart? At best that was a pimple.  For me a wart has to be material and has to impact the course of history. The slavery debate by the Continental Congress triggered a slavery debate that never let up until the 13 Amendment. Dredd Scott is a wart. Calhoun’s politics is a wart. Not the founders.  Even with that, subsequent to July 4 1776, slavery went away in many states.  

 

Do you seriously want to argue about warts and pimples? It’s entirely subjective which is worse. I pass.

 

Neither is as bad as a corn.

 


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Posted : 10/13/2025 8:44 pm
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Neither is as bad as a corn.

Or a hemorrhoid. 


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Posted : 10/13/2025 8:46 pm
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@goat 

Well it was important enough that the southern states didn’t agree to it.  


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Posted : 10/13/2025 8:49 pm
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Google AI

 
 

Jefferson's first draft of the Declaration of Independence contained a passage that strongly condemned slavery, calling the slave trade an "execrable commerce" and a "cruel war against human nature". He blamed the British monarchy for imposing and sustaining the practice, but the passage was removed by the Continental Congress before the document was adopted to gain the unanimous vote needed for independence, with delegates from Georgia and South Carolina and some from the North objecting to its inclusion. 


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Posted : 10/13/2025 8:52 pm
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