There is a bigger ICE presence there because Minnesota is a blue state.
How many people did ICE murder under Obama? Did ICE intentionally send people to random countries and separate families across the world? There is a big difference between doing a job and being a racist hole trying to destroy lives (often literally under Trump).
"There is a bigger ICE presence there because Minnesota is a blue state."
Two things -
1. The Somali thing, which is political
2. MN is a sanctuary city/state who do not cooperate with ICE. Why do red states not have this problem (or even Chicago/NY/Seattle/Phoenix, etc.)
"How many people did ICE murder under Obama?"
As @iucrazy2 noted, far more than would be acceptable to Dems today so where was the outrage 10-15 years ago?
"Did ICE intentionally send people to random countries and separate families across the world?"
Prove intention. Deportation is likely messy as hell from an administrative standpoint.
"There is a big difference between doing a job and being a racist hole trying to destroy lives (often literally under Trump)."
Are you saying ICE members under Obama weren't racist? Christ, it seems like if someone were a racist it would be the job they most coveted regardless of timeline. Again, where was the outrage when Obama was deporting far more folks than Trump has to this point. Was the lack of outrage under Obama b/c ICE were....nice?
@goat shutting down roads with dumpsters hauled into intersections. Stopping randos and forcing them to prove they aren’t ICE (just because they’re dudes driving minivans or trucks/SUVs).
the antifa antics with smoke bombs and fireworks directed at not just ICE but also local law enforcement when they do get around to showing up.
And as much as I detest the methods used by ICE there haven’t been many casies of apprehensions where the party apprehended wasn’t illegal. I could be wrong but I think it would be all over the mainstream media if it were the case.
I do think the feds continuing with the “we’re just targeting the worst of the worst” is bullshit. They’re targeting the lowest hanging fruit for numbers. People don’t like that. I get it. Maybe I don’t either. But taking to the streets in conflict with that enforcement activity was always going to end one way. In escalation.
There have been quite a few reports of ICE deporting people that are in the country legally..many were taken going to court to work on their asylum cases, which they allowed to be in the country while awaiting the decision on their asylum requests. Judges have had to order people be returned multiple times after ICE/DHS deported people that shouldn't have been deported. Not only is what they are doing cruel, but it likely is costing taxpayers tons of money to deport and bring back people that shouldn't have been deported in the first place.
300k people were deported 2025. I've no doubt quite a few were done incorrectly. I suspect that cost is far less than the social services absorbed by the illegal immigrants. Neither here nor there, but it's just math.
for reference in Obama's last year in office over 400k were deported. Trump still can't beat Obama at anything. I'd be surprised if there weren't quite a few mistakes made that year too. Where was the outrage in 2015? It seems like this down to Trump being cruel, which I can't really argue. But HH, why are the feds in Minneaoplis to begin with? Answer that question? Is it a sanctuary city? What does that mean for traditional ICE enforcement activity (back in the good ole days under Obama)? Is it harder or easier?
There is a bigger ICE presence there because Minnesota is a blue state.
How many people did ICE murder under Obama? Did ICE intentionally send people to random countries and separate families across the world? There is a big difference between doing a job and being a racist ***hole trying to destroy lives (often literally under Trump).
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@oneeyedundertaker No one owns the land. Everyone is welcome. But keep working because we will require you to pay for them. You see the percentage of Somalis still receiving welfare? Madness
I'm not good with detaining/deporting the roofers and housekeepers simply based on their immigration status. Those convicted (not merely accused) of crimes are a different matter altogether. And spare me the "they broke the law when they came here" trope.
So you want to ignore the law?
If they've been here for years and years and are law-abiding, productive members of society, then let it go. It's a fait accompli. My next door neighbors are the finest, hardest working, best people you could hope to know, and while I have no reason to think they're illegals, it shouldn't matter.
”yes I want to ignore the law” would have sufficed. Lol
@unclemark why does an arrest vs conviction come into play if local PD apprehends an unlawful resident?
I'm not good with detaining/deporting the roofers and housekeepers simply based on their immigration status. Those convicted (not merely accused) of crimes are a different matter altogether. And spare me the "they broke the law when they came here" trope.
With this attitude, there is no reason to have immigration law at all.
You are essentially telling the people who are waiting in line to come here legally that it doesn’t matter, because once they’re here, you don’t want them deported regardless of how they got here. So they may as well just skip the process.
Doesn’t that seem pretty ridiculous to you?
@unclemark why does an arrest vs conviction come into play if local PD apprehends an unlawful resident?
I'm not good with detaining/deporting the roofers and housekeepers simply based on their immigration status. Those convicted (not merely accused) of crimes are a different matter altogether. And spare me the "they broke the law when they came here" trope.
With this attitude, there is no reason to have immigration law at all.
You are essentially telling the people who are waiting in line to come here legally that it doesn’t matter, because once they’re here, you don’t want them deported regardless of how they got here. So they may as well just skip the process.
Doesn’t that seem pretty ridiculous to you?
At some point you have to face reality. These people are here. They're productive, law abiding members of the community, many/most with citizen children or family members. They harming no one, and benefiting many.
Kudos to Trump for locking down the border. I never imagined it could be done this effectively within the current law. Now that the inflow has stopped, lets deal with those who remain with some semblance of common sense and decency.
Over 1/3 of all immigration arrests are in 3 states: Texas, Florida, and Tennessee. Despite being red, something all 3 of those states have in common is laws requiring state and local law enforcement to cooperate with ICE. The "at-large" arrests are lower in red states exactly because of this. ICE doesn't have to go out into the public to find and arrest illegals because the states hand them over. They go to the jail and collect them.
You totally skip recognizing the fact that despite all of this wonderful red state cooperation, the per capita number of illegals still on the loose in these red states, and the number among them that are violent criminals, still dwarfs that of MN, many times over. So if getting them off the streets was the goal, ICE would put more agents on the ground there to get the massive hoards that the locals just aren't finding and aren't handing over, for whatever reason.
Say I need money to survive and I am looking to steal it. Over behind door #1 there is a stash of gold. Behind door #2 there is a stash of silver. Behind door number 3 there is a stash of pennies. But I hate the person behind door #3. So... that's where I go to get my money? Makes no sense, unless all that drives you is hate and you're not really after the money at all, it's just your convenient excuse.
"You can't make someone listen to reason if they aren't willing to think"-- Ray Bradbury, Fahrenheit 451
Now that the inflow has stopped, lets deal with those who remain with some semblance of common sense and decency.
common sense, decency, and simply abiding by the Constitution of the United States of America.
"You can't make someone listen to reason if they aren't willing to think"-- Ray Bradbury, Fahrenheit 451
@unclemark why does an arrest vs conviction come into play if local PD apprehends an unlawful resident?
I'm not good with detaining/deporting the roofers and housekeepers simply based on their immigration status. Those convicted (not merely accused) of crimes are a different matter altogether. And spare me the "they broke the law when they came here" trope.
With this attitude, there is no reason to have immigration law at all.
You are essentially telling the people who are waiting in line to come here legally that it doesn’t matter, because once they’re here, you don’t want them deported regardless of how they got here. So they may as well just skip the process.
Doesn’t that seem pretty ridiculous to you?
At some point you have to face reality. These people are here. They're productive, law abiding members of the community, many/most with citizen children or family members. They harming no one, and benefiting many.
Kudos to Trump for locking down the border. I never imagined it could be done this effectively within the current law. Now that the inflow has stopped, lets deal with those who remain with some semblance of common sense and decency.
Trump wont be President for ever and the border wont be this secure forever. Eventually a Democrat will be in the WH and they will pervert the refugee and asylum process and degrade the border.
Then in year 2040, UncleMark or someone like him will be around claiming how we need amnesty or DACA or some other "decent" mechanism for letting those here stay in perpetuity.
So no, I reject your call to "common sense and decency" because your party doesn't approach this issue in good faith.
So no, I reject your call to "common sense and decency" because your party doesn't approach this issue in good faith.
Do you also reject a call to follow the Constitution? Is it at all important for you? Do you want an untrained goon squad to declare guilt and mete out punishment?
Some mouthy members of your party seem to act like the people who were hunting down Anne Frank rather than those who were protecting her.
"You can't make someone listen to reason if they aren't willing to think"-- Ray Bradbury, Fahrenheit 451
@shooter We want YOUR party to follow the law! This isn't hard. Follow. The law. Do not illegally cross the border. Don't create cities to house them. Don't interfere with law enforcement. Good Lord some of you are certifiable. We set the house on fire and hate how the fire department is putting it out. Don't set it on fire!
@shooter I mean WTF is wrong with this idiot Walz and Minny. Why can't they just be normal? Not freaks. And that's who we put out for VP. My goodness. The nonsense autonomous bullshit with Floyd destroying businesses and injuring police during those pathetic riots, the Somali fraud, now this. Fuck deport Walz and Frey. They're a public nuisance.
What I wish was that there was a to streamline citizenship so that a person picked up, Julio, is found to have been here for 22 years, plays indoor, has a roofing business, daughter in grade school, run him and he's clear, never been on papers, streamline his citizenship.
You sound like a shitlib
"You can't make someone listen to reason if they aren't willing to think"-- Ray Bradbury, Fahrenheit 451
@shooter No I just have the ability to think and am not wedded to a side. It's just MAGA, as untoward as they may be, crush the current iterations of Dems when it comes to being sensible. The current Dem party would create a massive welfare state where laws are optional and crimes go unpunished. Hyperbole? Not much.
@shooter I will add that I think our country is in real trouble. Historically a Dem went damn Bush won. Sucks. Oh well. Shit Clinton won. Eh. Not cool but whatever. These parties are so ideologically distinct that it's a harbinger of very bad things to come imo. NYC as a totem for the Dem party is about as far removed from your typical working class Bass Pro Shop MAGA family guy as you can possibly get. 50/50 with markedly different views of what the country should be
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