...Walz and Frey are pair of incompetent assholes whose rhetoric borders on insurrection.
I am no particularly a fan of either but their "rhetoric" seems to focus on messages of:
-knowing your Constitutional rights
-engaging only in peaceful protests (in fact, they tell anyone bent on agitation to STAY HOME)
-watching out and helping one another to stay safe from the state-sponsored terrorists in their midst
"You can't make someone listen to reason if they aren't willing to think"-- Ray Bradbury, Fahrenheit 451
@unclemark why does an arrest vs conviction come into play if local PD apprehends an unlawful resident?
edit: what you’re suggesting is also violatory of the Laken Riley Act in many cases.
@goat shutting down roads with dumpsters hauled into intersections. Stopping randos and forcing them to prove they aren’t ICE (just because they’re dudes driving minivans or trucks/SUVs).
the antifa antics with smoke bombs and fireworks directed at not just ICE but also local law enforcement when they do get around to showing up.
And as much as I detest the methods used by ICE there haven’t been many casies of apprehensions where the party apprehended wasn’t illegal. I could be wrong but I think it would be all over the mainstream media if it were the case.
I do think the feds continuing with the “we’re just targeting the worst of the worst” is bullshit. They’re targeting the lowest hanging fruit for numbers. People don’t like that. I get it. Maybe I don’t either. But taking to the streets in conflict with that enforcement activity was always going to end one way. In escalation.
Yeah, I wasn't aware of those kinds of things. Obviously those people should be arrested. But none of it justifies being so ready to use lethal force.
@unclemark why does an arrest vs conviction come into play if local PD apprehends an unlawful resident?
I'm not good with detaining/deporting the roofers and housekeepers simply based on their immigration status. Those convicted (not merely accused) of crimes are a different matter altogether. And spare me the "they broke the law when they came here" trope.
And as much as I detest the methods used by ICE there haven’t been many casies of apprehensions where the party apprehended wasn’t illegal. I could be wrong but I think it would be all over the mainstream media if it were the case.
I don't do social media so can't vouch for the veracity, but Kyle Cheney has always seemed to be a straight shooter.
https://www.rawstory.com/exposed-probe-finds/
(And yeah, I know... Raw Story...)
@unclemark why does an arrest vs conviction come into play if local PD apprehends an unlawful resident?
I'm not good with detaining/deporting the roofers and housekeepers simply based on their immigration status. Those convicted (not merely accused) of crimes are a different matter altogether. And spare me the "they broke the law when they came here" trope.
Again, federal law now stipulates that those who are simply arrested for some categories of crime must be detained to be taken into custody by ICE.
We won’t agree wrt to deportations extending to all people residing here illegally.
@unclemark If you're dealing with hundreds and hundreds of thousands wrongfully detaining that number might be expected. I'm not how big of a deal that is to be honest. People are detained all the time. Over an unpaid traffic ticket. What I wish was that there was a to streamline citizenship so that a person picked up, Julio, is found to have been here for 22 years, plays indoor, has a roofing business, daughter in grade school, run him and he's clear, never been on papers, streamline his citizenship.
Again, federal law now stipulates that those who are simply arrested for some categories of crime must be detained to be taken into custody by ICE.
Okay, in that case how about ICE limits itself to those people instead of the roofers and housekeepers who are doing nothing more than taking their kids to school or showing up for their (supposedly) routine appointments with the immigration judges? If that's the law, I'd be good with state and local authorities being required to turn them over, and for the feds to enforce that requirement through the courts if necessary. I still have a problem with this being applied to those who haven't been found guilty, but it's not a hill I'm willing to die on.
@goat shutting down roads with dumpsters hauled into intersections. Stopping randos and forcing them to prove they aren’t ICE (just because they’re dudes driving minivans or trucks/SUVs).
the antifa antics with smoke bombs and fireworks directed at not just ICE but also local law enforcement when they do get around to showing up.
And as much as I detest the methods used by ICE there haven’t been many casies of apprehensions where the party apprehended wasn’t illegal. I could be wrong but I think it would be all over the mainstream media if it were the case.
I do think the feds continuing with the “we’re just targeting the worst of the worst” is bullshit. They’re targeting the lowest hanging fruit for numbers. People don’t like that. I get it. Maybe I don’t either. But taking to the streets in conflict with that enforcement activity was always going to end one way. In escalation.
There have been quite a few reports of ICE deporting people that are in the country legally..many were taken going to court to work on their asylum cases, which they allowed to be in the country while awaiting the decision on their asylum requests. Judges have had to order people be returned multiple times after ICE/DHS deported people that shouldn't have been deported. Not only is what they are doing cruel, but it likely is costing taxpayers tons of money to deport and bring back people that shouldn't have been deported in the first place.
300k people were deported 2025. I've no doubt quite a few were done incorrectly. I suspect that cost is far less than the social services absorbed by the illegal immigrants. Neither here nor there, but it's just math.
for reference in Obama's last year in office over 400k were deported. Trump still can't beat Obama at anything. I'd be surprised if there weren't quite a few mistakes made that year too. Where was the outrage in 2015? It seems like this down to Trump being cruel, which I can't really argue. But HH, why are the feds in Minneaoplis to begin with? Answer that question? Is it a sanctuary city? What does that mean for traditional ICE enforcement activity (back in the good ole days under Obama)? Is it harder or easier?
There is a bigger ICE presence there because Minnesota is a blue state.
How many people did ICE murder under Obama? Did ICE intentionally send people to random countries and separate families across the world? There is a big difference between doing a job and being a racist ***hole trying to destroy lives (often literally under Trump).
Despite being red, something all 3 of those states have in common is laws requiring state and local law enforcement to cooperate with ICE. The "at-large" arrests are lower in red states exactly because of this. ICE doesn't have to go out into the public to find and arrest illegals because the states hand them over. They go to the jail and collect them.
This is how it should be, with one caveat -- they should only be able to "collect" those who have been convicted, not merely arrested. Due process and all that constitutional silliness still should apply.
Disagree. I don't think someone needs to be convicted of some other crime to be up for deportation. You got caught, you weren't supposed to be here, back you go.
@goat shutting down roads with dumpsters hauled into intersections. Stopping randos and forcing them to prove they aren’t ICE (just because they’re dudes driving minivans or trucks/SUVs).
the antifa antics with smoke bombs and fireworks directed at not just ICE but also local law enforcement when they do get around to showing up.
And as much as I detest the methods used by ICE there haven’t been many casies of apprehensions where the party apprehended wasn’t illegal. I could be wrong but I think it would be all over the mainstream media if it were the case.
I do think the feds continuing with the “we’re just targeting the worst of the worst” is bullshit. They’re targeting the lowest hanging fruit for numbers. People don’t like that. I get it. Maybe I don’t either. But taking to the streets in conflict with that enforcement activity was always going to end one way. In escalation.
Yeah, I wasn't aware of those kinds of things. Obviously those people should be arrested. But none of it justifies being so ready to use lethal force.
Right, I don't want them killed, I want them arrested. In some respects, I don't even care if a conviction sticks. I just want there to be some repercussions for stepping over the line from "protesting" to "interfering".
@unclemark why does an arrest vs conviction come into play if local PD apprehends an unlawful resident?
I'm not good with detaining/deporting the roofers and housekeepers simply based on their immigration status. Those convicted (not merely accused) of crimes are a different matter altogether. And spare me the "they broke the law when they came here" trope.
So you want to ignore the law?
@goat shutting down roads with dumpsters hauled into intersections. Stopping randos and forcing them to prove they aren’t ICE (just because they’re dudes driving minivans or trucks/SUVs).
the antifa antics with smoke bombs and fireworks directed at not just ICE but also local law enforcement when they do get around to showing up.
And as much as I detest the methods used by ICE there haven’t been many casies of apprehensions where the party apprehended wasn’t illegal. I could be wrong but I think it would be all over the mainstream media if it were the case.
I do think the feds continuing with the “we’re just targeting the worst of the worst” is bullshit. They’re targeting the lowest hanging fruit for numbers. People don’t like that. I get it. Maybe I don’t either. But taking to the streets in conflict with that enforcement activity was always going to end one way. In escalation.
There have been quite a few reports of ICE deporting people that are in the country legally..many were taken going to court to work on their asylum cases, which they allowed to be in the country while awaiting the decision on their asylum requests. Judges have had to order people be returned multiple times after ICE/DHS deported people that shouldn't have been deported. Not only is what they are doing cruel, but it likely is costing taxpayers tons of money to deport and bring back people that shouldn't have been deported in the first place.
300k people were deported 2025. I've no doubt quite a few were done incorrectly. I suspect that cost is far less than the social services absorbed by the illegal immigrants. Neither here nor there, but it's just math.
for reference in Obama's last year in office over 400k were deported. Trump still can't beat Obama at anything. I'd be surprised if there weren't quite a few mistakes made that year too. Where was the outrage in 2015? It seems like this down to Trump being cruel, which I can't really argue. But HH, why are the feds in Minneaoplis to begin with? Answer that question? Is it a sanctuary city? What does that mean for traditional ICE enforcement activity (back in the good ole days under Obama)? Is it harder or easier?
There is a bigger ICE presence there because Minnesota is a blue state.
How many people did ICE murder under Obama? Did ICE intentionally send people to random countries and separate families across the world? There is a big difference between doing a job and being a racist ***hole trying to destroy lives (often literally under Trump).
56 to 67 people died in ICE custody while Obama was President. He also inflated his numbers by taking people who used to get counted as voluntary returns and counted them as removals. Like with most things regarding Obama, his numbers were smoke and mirrors.
@goat shutting down roads with dumpsters hauled into intersections. Stopping randos and forcing them to prove they aren’t ICE (just because they’re dudes driving minivans or trucks/SUVs).
the antifa antics with smoke bombs and fireworks directed at not just ICE but also local law enforcement when they do get around to showing up.
And as much as I detest the methods used by ICE there haven’t been many casies of apprehensions where the party apprehended wasn’t illegal. I could be wrong but I think it would be all over the mainstream media if it were the case.
I do think the feds continuing with the “we’re just targeting the worst of the worst” is bullshit. They’re targeting the lowest hanging fruit for numbers. People don’t like that. I get it. Maybe I don’t either. But taking to the streets in conflict with that enforcement activity was always going to end one way. In escalation.
Yeah, I wasn't aware of those kinds of things. Obviously those people should be arrested. But none of it justifies being so ready to use lethal force.
Agreed but when left unattended by local authorities.....shit continues to escalate. nobody's clean here. Which is impossible for our current electorate and media to process.
I'm not good with detaining/deporting the roofers and housekeepers simply based on their immigration status. Those convicted (not merely accused) of crimes are a different matter altogether. And spare me the "they broke the law when they came here" trope.
So you want to ignore the law?
If they've been here for years and years and are law-abiding, productive members of society, then let it go. It's a fait accompli. My next door neighbors are the finest, hardest working, best people you could hope to know, and while I have no reason to think they're illegals, it shouldn't matter.
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