This has NOTHING to do with immigration enforcement, catching "illegals", or hunting down criminals. If it did, more ICE agents would be deployed in the many many areas of the country with far, far higher numbers of undocumented persons and with far far higher crime rates. The problem is, many of those areas are in "red states" and this is directed POLITICAL RETRIBUTION, plain and simple.
"You can't make someone listen to reason if they aren't willing to think"-- Ray Bradbury, Fahrenheit 451
@shooter It is AFTER the Somali scandal. The timing wasn’t a coincidence. But yes it’s retaliation. For that. However it’s not states. I’ve seen the list. Saint Louis is within a matter of weeks and that’s a red state.
@aloha-hoosier By my junior year of undergrad I knew more about public administration, political science, and law than you know today. You’re wedded to these outmoded labels and quick to condemn anyone who doesn’t subscribe to your anachronistic version of same. You’re a dinosaur. This shit evolves, devolves; it’s fluid. Does the left look anything like a decade ago? Nor does the right.
Wow! That's maybe the least self-aware BS I've ever heard. LOL! I really can't stop laughing at you.
if sharon isn't mcmurt, then we found his soulmate.
@goat shutting down roads with dumpsters hauled into intersections. Stopping randos and forcing them to prove they aren’t ICE (just because they’re dudes driving minivans or trucks/SUVs).
the antifa antics with smoke bombs and fireworks directed at not just ICE but also local law enforcement when they do get around to showing up.
And as much as I detest the methods used by ICE there haven’t been many casies of apprehensions where the party apprehended wasn’t illegal. I could be wrong but I think it would be all over the mainstream media if it were the case.
I do think the feds continuing with the “we’re just targeting the worst of the worst” is bullshit. They’re targeting the lowest hanging fruit for numbers. People don’t like that. I get it. Maybe I don’t either. But taking to the streets in conflict with that enforcement activity was always going to end one way. In escalation.
There have been quite a few reports of ICE deporting people that are in the country legally..many were taken going to court to work on their asylum cases, which they allowed to be in the country while awaiting the decision on their asylum requests. Judges have had to order people be returned multiple times after ICE/DHS deported people that shouldn't have been deported. Not only is what they are doing cruel, but it likely is costing taxpayers tons of money to deport and bring back people that shouldn't have been deported in the first place.
Values are situational. The Clinton and first Obama administrations were all about stopping illegal immigration. Now, not at all.
true. When it was the Clinton scandal, Conservatives pretended to have moral (everyone knew they didn't given that they didn't care Newt Gingrich was also banging and cheating on his wife)
When Trump was grabbin' em by the pussy, hiring prostitutes, and cheating on all of his wives, MAGA was like morals don't mean shit...but still want to pretend to be the religious party.
@goat shutting down roads with dumpsters hauled into intersections. Stopping randos and forcing them to prove they aren’t ICE (just because they’re dudes driving minivans or trucks/SUVs).
the antifa antics with smoke bombs and fireworks directed at not just ICE but also local law enforcement when they do get around to showing up.
And as much as I detest the methods used by ICE there haven’t been many casies of apprehensions where the party apprehended wasn’t illegal. I could be wrong but I think it would be all over the mainstream media if it were the case.
I do think the feds continuing with the “we’re just targeting the worst of the worst” is bullshit. They’re targeting the lowest hanging fruit for numbers. People don’t like that. I get it. Maybe I don’t either. But taking to the streets in conflict with that enforcement activity was always going to end one way. In escalation.
There have been quite a few reports of ICE deporting people that are in the country legally..many were taken going to court to work on their asylum cases, which they allowed to be in the country while awaiting the decision on their asylum requests. Judges have had to order people be returned multiple times after ICE/DHS deported people that shouldn't have been deported. Not only is what they are doing cruel, but it likely is costing taxpayers tons of money to deport and bring back people that shouldn't have been deported in the first place.
300k people were deported 2025. I've no doubt quite a few were done incorrectly. I suspect that cost is far less than the social services absorbed by the illegal immigrants. Neither here nor there, but it's just math.
for reference in Obama's last year in office over 400k were deported. Trump still can't beat Obama at anything. I'd be surprised if there weren't quite a few mistakes made that year too. Where was the outrage in 2015? It seems like this down to Trump being cruel, which I can't really argue. But HH, why are the feds in Minneaoplis to begin with? Answer that question? Is it a sanctuary city? What does that mean for traditional ICE enforcement activity (back in the good ole days under Obama)? Is it harder or easier?
if sharon isn't mcmurt, then we found his soulmate.
He's obviously McMurt. He can carry on with his charade of pretending to be a manly broad, but he's a fake. Why would anyone take a fake seriously? I won't.
Values are situational. The Clinton and first Obama administrations were all about stopping illegal immigration. Now, not at all.
true. When it was the Clinton scandal, Conservatives pretended to have moral (everyone knew they didn't given that they didn't care Newt Gingrich was also banging and cheating on his wife)
When Trump was grabbin' em by the pussy, hiring prostitutes, and cheating on all of his wives, MAGA was like morals don't mean shit...but still want to pretend to be the religious party.
Many of us didn't pretend then and we don't pretend now. That was the start of the "everything equals everything" nonsense too. It started on the left and now it's a bedrock MAGA trait.
The whole thing is a clusterfvck (pardon my language). CO is partly right - the sanctuary cities that refuse to assist or want to be involved have only exacerbated the problem. ICE has been more aggressive (@goat) and also going after people that really shouldn't be primary targets. There are plenty of criminals, fraudsters, etc. to deport before some roofer and his kids.
The rhetoric of the left isn't helping (see Walz, Frey), the constant protests, the harassment of ICE agents... none of that is productive either IMO and has contributed to the powder keg.
Also, where are we at on the Somali fraud? Did all of those people get deported? If they are going to rot in our white collar prisons, they ought to be.
@jdb - looks like the white chick is gonna squeal. First squealer gets the best deal. She's no dummy. Something tells me a bunch of politicos in MN are gonna need to lawyer up (some Republicans included b/c money's money if you're a pig at the trough).
@jdb - looks like the white chick is gonna squeal. First squealer gets the best deal. She's no dummy. Something tells me a bunch of politicos in MN are gonna need to lawyer up (some Republicans included b/c money's money if you're a pig at the trough).
Well, we know this butch attorney isn't going to do squat, so glad the Feds have it in their control.
This has NOTHING to do with immigration enforcement, catching "illegals", or hunting down criminals. If it did, more ICE agents would be deployed in the many many areas of the country with far, far higher numbers of undocumented persons and with far far higher crime rates. The problem is, many of those areas are in "red states" and this is directed POLITICAL RETRIBUTION, plain and simple.
You are completely wrong. Over 1/3 of all immigration arrests are in 3 states: Texas, Florida, and Tennessee. Despite being red, something all 3 of those states have in common is laws requiring state and local law enforcement to cooperate with ICE. The "at-large" arrests are lower in red states exactly because of this. ICE doesn't have to go out into the public to find and arrest illegals because the states hand them over. They go to the jail and collect them.
Minnesota isn't the only state that doesn't cooperate but they have had their political leadership be the most vociferous on not only non-cooperation but outright encouragement of citizens to interfere. The reason Minnesota is a problem rests almost entirely on the lack of leadership in their state. Walz and Frey are pair of incompetent assholes whose rhetoric borders on insurrection. Dump those two dickheads and cooperate like the red states do and neither of those deaths would likely have occurred.
ICE has been more aggressive (@goat) and also going after people that really shouldn't be primary targets. There are plenty of criminals, fraudsters, etc. to deport before some roofer and his kids.
Despite being red, something all 3 of those states have in common is laws requiring state and local law enforcement to cooperate with ICE. The "at-large" arrests are lower in red states exactly because of this. ICE doesn't have to go out into the public to find and arrest illegals because the states hand them over. They go to the jail and collect them.
This is how it should be, with one caveat -- they should only be able to "collect" those who have been convicted, not merely arrested. Due process and all that constitutional silliness still should apply.
