@boogie You have to show an id if asked. You don’t have to talk. But you have to show id
During a Terry Stop . . .
- Reasonable Suspicion: If an officer has specific, articulable facts to believe you're linked to criminal activity (like casing a store, as in Terry v. Ohio).
- Traffic Stops: You must show your driver's license if pulled over for a violation.
- "Stop-and-Identify" States: About half the states have laws requiring you to give your name (and sometimes address/DOB) if lawfully detained under reasonable suspicion, but this isn't universal.
@boogie I’m much better than a lawyer. Gross. 4th starts with reasonable suspicion for a stop
When does the 4th amendment kick in then?
IANAL... But it would seem to be when there is not a reasonable suspicion of criminal activity. Being out in public in an area where ICE activity is going on is not in itself a cause for reasonable suspicion. Neither is looking Hispanic or speaking Spanish.
Lawyers, is this anything like consent to search a car on a traffic stop? The officer can ask, but you have a RIGHT to refuse, based on the 4th amendment, unless there is probable cause (such as drug paraphernalia being in plain sight).
In other words, you need to know that showing ID on demand of a LEO is voluntarily giving up a Constitutional right?
"You can't make someone listen to reason if they aren't willing to think"-- Ray Bradbury, Fahrenheit 451
It is so cute how often we portrayed the bad guys, Nazis and KGB, asking, "Papers, please". Now it is heroic.
If a government agent has no reasonable suspicion that someone has violated the law, they shouldn't be allowed to stop them and ask for documentation.
It is so cute how often we portrayed the bad guys, Nazis and KGB, asking, "Papers, please". Now it is heroic.
If a government agent has no reasonable suspicion that someone has violated the law, they shouldn't be allowed to stop them and ask for documentation.
What the papers indicate is relevant, don’t you think?
So you think TSA is performing millions of illegal acts every day?It is so cute how often we portrayed the bad guys, Nazis and KGB, asking, "Papers, please". Now it is heroic.
If a government agent has no reasonable suspicion that someone has violated the law, they shouldn't be allowed to stop them and ask for documentation.
If a government agent has no reasonable suspicion that someone has violated the law, they shouldn't be allowed to stop them and ask for documentation.
They aren’t. Quit pretending like this is what happens.
Correct, you are not a lawyer.
Are you? I asked a pretty simple question. You came back with an assholish response, typical for you. I expect nothing less from you and you always seem to deliver. Rudeness on demand.
"You can't make someone listen to reason if they aren't willing to think"-- Ray Bradbury, Fahrenheit 451