What were the platforms in NJ and VA?
Honestly it was mainly affordability. I know Sherrill vowed to freeze utility costs on day one. Both races talked about pushing back on Trump. Honestly it was more about what the platforms weren't. Neither race promised any of the boogeyman issues like defunding the police or open borders. Their platforms are still online if you want to look them up.
@ohio-guy You're routinely laughed at in this thread and others as painfully removed from reality by your use of "boogeyman" when that occurred all over. Go look at the actions taken on the border and the number of crossings and couch it as a Boogeyman. To write Boogeyman and Open Border in the same sentence makes me believe you must be in the middle of an all girl college in New England.
So to be clear, you believe that DEI is neither important to NJ Dems nor the governor in particular, and they have given up on those policies?So what are they running on?
Mainly the economy and more moderate Democratic policies. The gubernatorial races in New Jersey and Virginia are more of the model Democrats will use. Mamdani’s victory won’t scale to the rest of the country and I’m guessing Democrats won’t try to do that in more red/purple states.
So to be clear, you believe that DEI is neither important to NJ Dems nor the governor in particular, and they have given up on those policies?
I think there is a difference between what might be important to some of those people versus what they ran on or how they’ll govern.
Fundamentally I think some Dems probably believe in the basic tenets of DEI, but understand continuing to pull at those threads is a losing proposition.
I know NJ pushed back on anti-DEI legislation and threats from the Trump administration. even with that, DEI is a shell of what it was, even in NJ.
Got a link to support any of that? Looks to me like it’s not only something they believe in, but something they’ve succeeded or tried to legislate on over just this last year.So to be clear, you believe that DEI is neither important to NJ Dems nor the governor in particular, and they have given up on those policies?
I think there is a difference between what might be important to some of those people versus what they ran on or how they’ll govern.
Fundamentally I think some Dems probably believe in the basic tenets of DEI, but understand continuing to pull at those threads is a losing proposition.
I know NJ pushed back on anti-DEI legislation and threats from the Trump administration. even with that, DEI is a shell of what it was, even in NJ.
And in Chicago, I can tell you DEI is still strong at local and state levels. Hell, it’s Brandon Johnson’s entire governing philosophy.
Re Virginia:
@bradstevens @ohio-guy @mrhighlife yeah it’s not really still happening. It’s just your feed 🤣
Got a link to support any of that? Looks to me like it’s not only something they believe in, but something they’ve succeeded or tried to legislate on over just this last year.
The NJ Governor’s Office still has an office of inclusion, but as far as I can tell it hasn’t been updated since fall of ‘24 under former Governor Murphy.
DEI just doesn’t seem to be front and center in most places, though it does still exist in blue states. In and of itself DEI isn’t a bad thing. I can’t speak to NJ specifically but I do know several inclusion offices have widened their scope to include physically and mentally disabled, poor folks and rural, first gen college kids. In other words actually trying to lean into the “inclusive part.”
I know in Ohio there are still iterations of what used to be DEI initiatives but you’d be hard pressed to find any race-based initiatives, scholarships, etc. in fact any policy/law that mentions race in Ohio prohibits a lot of things being based on it.
Re Virginia:
I don’t know the specifics of their DEI initiatives, but I’d bet they’re in the vein of truly being more inclusive with people from rural Virginia, etc.
All that said, the basic idea of a DEI office isn’t bad. There are plenty of ways this office could serve their state well. We’ll see how this plays out.
So to be clear, you believe that DEI is neither important to NJ Dems nor the governor in particular, and they have given up on those policies?
I think there is a difference between what might be important to some of those people versus what they ran on or how they’ll govern.
Fundamentally I think some Dems probably believe in the basic tenets of DEI, but understand continuing to pull at those threads is a losing proposition.
I know NJ pushed back on anti-DEI legislation and threats from the Trump administration. even with that, DEI is a shell of what it was, even in NJ.
So you take shots at me for ‘just knowing’ when in fact my assumptions are based on recent actions on a national level, while the entire argument you’re making is ‘just knowing’ what threads they’re not going to pull on & pointing at a couple of state level races? Got it…
@oneeyedundertaker That are actually featuring woke shit. The denial from Dems is absolutely absurd.
So you take shots at me for ‘just knowing’ when in fact my assumptions are based on recent actions on a national level, while the entire argument you’re making is ‘just knowing’ what threads they’re not going to pull on & pointing at a couple of state level races? Got it…
No, you're wrong.
I don't really care to tip my hand too much, but I sort of live in this world and am in virtual national meetings a few times a month that address this stuff. DEI offices exist in some places, but by and large it's not a front-and-center hill people and institutions are willing to die on anymore. Race-based initiatives and policies - excepting ones that prohibit exclusively basing legislation, scholarships, etc on race - aren't really being pushed.
I'm not sorry for trusting the people whose job it is to know these types of things over you.
@ohio-guy Have you not listened to the mayor of NYC? The mayor of Chicago? The locus of Dem centers base everything off of race. It has only grown worse. The Chicago mayor is really nuts with it.
There are stupid DEI initiatives (e.g., strict racial hiring quotas) and there are reasonable DEI initiatives (e.g., actively encouraging underrepresented groups to apply for positions, with the best person ultimately being hired).
Don't abandon what is reasonable in response to what is stupid.
"You can't make someone listen to reason if they aren't willing to think"-- Ray Bradbury, Fahrenheit 451
There are stupid DEI initiatives (e.g., strict racial hiring quotas) and there are reasonable DEI initiatives (e.g., actively encouraging underrepresented groups to apply for positions, with the best person ultimately being hired).
Don't abandon what is reasonable in response to what is stupid.
Exactly. This is largely what I've seen and heard from places where DEI hasn't been outlawed altogether.
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