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Joe_Hoopsier
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Posted by: @oneeyedundertaker

Posted by: @arthur-dent

@sharinincarmel  I am a retired IT guy. I am an eternal optimist. We old people see change as bad, I am not sure the younger people do. I recall being young, living in a multi gender house. My dad was mad I was watching Saturday morning cartoons. My grandfather told me after that I shouldn't feel bad, my dad (greatest generation) wasted his time listening to the radio instead of doing extra work 

Each generation hates the new stuff the next Gen has. Doesn't make it bad, just different 

As to the topic at hand, does this sound individualist or collective, "we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor."

Can you name any country, society, etc. where collectivism has yielded better results than the rugged individualism of the US over the course of human history?

 

I'm interested in this answer. 

 


If men were any more stupid, we would have breed for the extinction of women. Proof yet again that WE are the best thing they have going for them.

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Posted : 01/10/2026 9:06 am
OneEyedUndertaker
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Posted by: @sharinincarmel

@dbmhoosier I am at a total loss as to what can be done about the Dem party.  Just frightening.

Anti-capitalist 

Anti-Christian 

Anti-white

So basically, today’s Dems stand against the foundation of this country.  Why don’t they just go somewhere else & make what they want instead of trying to take what’s ours?

 


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Posted : 01/10/2026 6:45 pm
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BradStevens
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Posted by: @arthur-dent

@sharinincarmel  I am a retired IT guy. I am an eternal optimist. We old people see change as bad, I am not sure the younger people do. I recall being young, living in a multi gender house. My dad was mad I was watching Saturday morning cartoons. My grandfather told me after that I shouldn't feel bad, my dad (greatest generation) wasted his time listening to the radio instead of doing extra work 

Each generation hates the new stuff the next Gen has. Doesn't make it bad, just different 

As to the topic at hand, does this sound individualist or collective, "we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor."

Individuals have the right to pledge themselves to each other (and have throughout history--due to "reason," self-interest, and probably quite a bit of evolutionary psychology.  But it's an individual's choice, not the collective's, which is why that pledge carries such a punch.

Think about it for a second:  if the collective forced the individual to give his life and fortune and honor up for the collective, does it really resonate as much with you as the situation where a fully autonomous individual, with rights to jealously guard if he so chooses, makes the same pledge?  Of course not.

 


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Topic starter Posted : 01/12/2026 12:47 pm
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