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The link below is a man explaining why Plato hated debates. Largely audiences confuse someone with better debate tactics and a better voice as speaking the truth. Person arguing for A won, thus A must be true. 

Plato believed truth was a long term collaborative process.

Looking at how the world has developed, Plato appears to have been correct.

I suspect this happens far more often than we admit. OJ's lawyers were more polished meant that OJ was not guilty. But was that really the "truth?" Be it politics, law, or even commercials, how often do we equate being more polished as the truth?


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Topic starter Posted : 11/24/2025 9:57 am
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Posted by: @arthur-dent

The link below is a man explaining why Plato hated debates. Largely audiences confuse someone with better debate tactics and a better voice as speaking the truth. Person arguing for A won, thus A must be true. 

Plato believed truth was a long term collaborative process.

Looking at how the world has developed, Plato appears to have been correct.

I suspect this happens far more often than we admit. OJ's lawyers were more polished meant that OJ was not guilty. But was that really the "truth?" Be it politics, law, or even commercials, how often do we equate being more polished as the truth?

eristic.  not the path if seeking the truth.  that's what i studied in college.  it took 30 years to come up.  thank you.  while twenty jdb and dr hoops studied things that were useful to them on day one

 


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Posted : 11/24/2025 10:17 am
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Posted by: @arthur-dent

The link below is a man explaining why Plato hated debates. Largely audiences confuse someone with better debate tactics and a better voice as speaking the truth. Person arguing for A won, thus A must be true. 

Plato believed truth was a long term collaborative process.

Looking at how the world has developed, Plato appears to have been correct.

I suspect this happens far more often than we admit. OJ's lawyers were more polished meant that OJ was not guilty. But was that really the "truth?" Be it politics, law, or even commercials, how often do we equate being more polished as the truth?

The link isn't working for me:

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But Plato's thoughts make sense and seem logical. Some of the brightest minds aren't necessarily good leaders or speakers. That always affects public trust and views.

 


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Posted : 11/24/2025 10:38 am
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Posted by: @mcm666

while twenty jdb and dr hoops studied things that were useful to them on day one

I studied partying and coeds. I wish I had focused more and tried harder in undergrad.


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Posted : 11/24/2025 10:39 am
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The link below is a man explaining why Plato hated debates. Largely audiences confuse someone with better debate tactics and a better voice as speaking the truth. Person arguing for A won, thus A must be true. 

Plato believed truth was a long term collaborative process.

Looking at how the world has developed, Plato appears to have been correct.

I suspect this happens far more often than we admit. OJ's lawyers were more polished meant that OJ was not guilty. But was that really the "truth?" Be it politics, law, or even commercials, how often do we equate being more polished as the truth?

Interesting.  First of all, Plato’s ideas about “Truth” are themselves debatable.  There are many factors that make up an effective debater/ advocate.  Voice quality is among those.  We are told Abraham Lincoln’s voice quality was not very good, yet we was a very good debater/ advocate. 

 


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Posted : 11/24/2025 10:50 am
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@co-hoosier distilled to the basics debate and finding truth are different things.  Debate is like a game. Tactics tricks with the goal of winning.  Truth seeking is different. We see the former play out with the incessant lying during the presidential debates.


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I get your point. Is finding truth really a debate or is it mostly a Socratic inquiry?  


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Posted : 11/24/2025 11:14 am
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@co-hoosier Socratic 💯. Debate isn’t even part of the equation if truth is the goal


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Posted by: @mcm666

@co-hoosier Socratic 💯. Debate isn’t even part of the equation if truth is the goal

Counterpoint 

 


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Posted by: @arthur-dent

The link below is a man explaining why Plato hated debates. Largely audiences confuse someone with better debate tactics and a better voice as speaking the truth. Person arguing for A won, thus A must be true. 

Plato believed truth was a long term collaborative process.

Looking at how the world has developed, Plato appears to have been correct.

I suspect this happens far more often than we admit. OJ's lawyers were more polished meant that OJ was not guilty. But was that really the "truth?" Be it politics, law, or even commercials, how often do we equate being more polished as the truth?

But what were his faults?  Was he a racist?  Didn’t Plato defend slavery?  What ethnicity were his slaves?  Don’t we have to consider them to qualify his opinion & understand the conditions of the time?😉

 


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Posted : 11/24/2025 5:13 pm
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Posted by: @arthur-dent

The link below is a man explaining why Plato hated debates. Largely audiences confuse someone with better debate tactics and a better voice as speaking the truth. Person arguing for A won, thus A must be true. 

Plato believed truth was a long term collaborative process.

Looking at how the world has developed, Plato appears to have been correct.

I suspect this happens far more often than we admit. OJ's lawyers were more polished meant that OJ was not guilty. But was that really the "truth?" Be it politics, law, or even commercials, how often do we equate being more polished as the truth?

But what were his faults?  Was he a racist?  Didn’t Plato defend slavery?  What ethnicity were his slaves?  Don’t we have to consider them to qualify his opinion & understand the conditions of the time?😉

 


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Posted by: @arthur-dent

The link below is a man explaining why Plato hated debates. Largely audiences confuse someone with better debate tactics and a better voice as speaking the truth. Person arguing for A won, thus A must be true. 

Plato believed truth was a long term collaborative process.

Looking at how the world has developed, Plato appears to have been correct.

I suspect this happens far more often than we admit. OJ's lawyers were more polished meant that OJ was not guilty. But was that really the "truth?" Be it politics, law, or even commercials, how often do we equate being more polished as the truth?

But what were his faults?  Was he a racist?  Didn’t Plato defend slavery?  What ethnicity were his slaves?  Don’t we have to consider them to qualify his opinion & understand the conditions of the time?😉

 


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I disagree.  Bait usually has to be clever to work.

 


 
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Posted by: @jdb

Posted by: @oneeyedundertaker

Posted by: @arthur-dent

The link below is a man explaining why Plato hated debates. Largely audiences confuse someone with better debate tactics and a better voice as speaking the truth. Person arguing for A won, thus A must be true. 

Plato believed truth was a long term collaborative process.

Looking at how the world has developed, Plato appears to have been correct.

I suspect this happens far more often than we admit. OJ's lawyers were more polished meant that OJ was not guilty. But was that really the "truth?" Be it politics, law, or even commercials, how often do we equate being more polished as the truth?

But what were his faults?  Was he a racist?  Didn’t Plato defend slavery?  What ethnicity were his slaves?  Don’t we have to consider them to qualify his opinion & understand the conditions of the time?😉

 


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I disagree.  Bait usually has to be clever to work.

 

Yet here you are.😆. We had you second most likely to need to jump in….

 


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Posted : 11/24/2025 7:32 pm
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Posted by: @arthur-dent

But was that really the “truth?”

Of course it was. You’re not one of those closet racists that insists OJ was guilty are you?


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Posted : 11/24/2025 7:34 pm
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Posted by: @oneeyedundertaker

Posted by: @arthur-dent

The link below is a man explaining why Plato hated debates. Largely audiences confuse someone with better debate tactics and a better voice as speaking the truth. Person arguing for A won, thus A must be true. 

Plato believed truth was a long term collaborative process.

Looking at how the world has developed, Plato appears to have been correct.

I suspect this happens far more often than we admit. OJ's lawyers were more polished meant that OJ was not guilty. But was that really the "truth?" Be it politics, law, or even commercials, how often do we equate being more polished as the truth?

But what were his faults?  Was he a racist?  Didn’t Plato defend slavery?  What ethnicity were his slaves?  Don’t we have to consider them to qualify his opinion & understand the conditions of the time?😉

 

https://twitter.com/defiantls/status/1992307094138077568?s=46

 


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