Posted by: @jdb

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Is he right or wrong? What would you disagree with?

 

https://twitter.com/ESPNCFB/status/1956001335792324862

I like him. He’s right and he’s wrong.  I hate nil and the portal and that everyone is a mercenary and you don’t get the pleasure of watching kids develop for four years. That familiarity.  The reciprocal loyalty.  

I can name 80 percent of the rosters on iu from the late 80s 90s etc. I couldn’t name a single person on the iu basketball team right now. Not one.  I can’t even think of the name of the coach.  

kind of nonresponsive. More responsive he’s wrong about the money. It can be life changing for these kids.  Kids who are average D1 athletes are getting heavy six figures. They aren’t going pro. And they aren’t making that at any job they get. The only way they’re ever going to get a lump sum like this is if they’re rear ended by a semi.  They can buy a house. With cash.  So I don’t begrudge these kids at all. I HATE THE GAME 

 

@mcm666 If the kids do it right, they can do both:  Learn those life lessons AND get a financial head start in adulthood.

@mcm666 I think this is spot on. And I'm right there with you re: college rosters. From the early-to-mid 80s when I really started paying attention up to around 2000 or so I could probably tell you every IU basketball player, where he went to high school and I'd probably have a decent chance of telling you which recruits were in the pipeline. 

Now, I know DeVries is their coach and I know his son is on the team (I believe he transferred with him from WVU), but I couldn't tell you a thing about how good he is or how he'll contribute to the overall success of the team. 

To some degree, it's like that everywhere though. Even the mid-majors are essentially turning over the rosters year in and year out. 

That said, I'm not sure how many players on the NIU football team are making six figures. I'd guess some of the top skill players are, but I have to imagine there are guys who will see significant time on the field on both sides of the ball that won't make much, if anything at all. 

Only solution is multi-year contracts. We’re almost there. 

@carramrod 

How about Congress exempting all sports, college and professional from anti-trust laws, and then seeing if they can figure out a way to legislate around the Curt Flood case.  That could restore some sensible rules about competition and compensation, but then the owners stand to reap huge rewards.  It’s a tough issue.

This is why I have become an Air Force Academy fan.  

@bcbranimal 

Travis Hunter is a great example of both.  But he is probably one out of a hundred.  

I'd agree that your college choice likely sets you up well (or not) for your career and that the SKILLS you learn there (or not) are extremely important in adulthood.

I'd also argue that getting life-changing money, particularly for the college athletes who are not going to be pro athletes, if well-managed, can also set you on a path more likely to lead to success. 

So... I hate the system but don't begrudge the players from using the system to their benefit. I would hope they can strike a balance in developing the life skills and having good mentors in college.  That's REALLY hard to do, though, jumping from school to school for the best deal every year.

Posted by: @shooter

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I'd agree that your college choice likely sets you up well (or not) for your career and that the SKILLS you learn there (or not) are extremely important in adulthood.

I'd also argue that getting life-changing money, particularly for the college athletes who are not going to be pro athletes, if well-managed, can also set you on a path more likely to lead to success. 

So... I hate the system but don't begrudge the players from using the system to their benefit. I would hope they can strike a balance in developing the life skills and having good mentors in college.  That's REALLY hard to do, though, jumping from school to school for the best deal every year.

The mid-majors are hosed. They're not getting any of the big TV money that makes all the NIL and revenue sharing possible. 

There will come a time very soon (if not already) when the quaint notion of "student athlete" will only be found at the NIUs and Ball States, while the majors become unapologeticly professional. They will also end up being a minor league with players hoping to prove themselves and get called up by the majors (see Kurtis Roark).

 

Posted by: @unclemark

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while the majors become unapologeticly professional.

i think fatigue will eventually set in. revenue is one thing. boosters is another.  it's one thing to say hey booster. we've got a shot at jared jeffries.  it's between us and duke.  dude is a program changing talent.  kick in?   okay yeah f it.  the next year.  hey booster jared needs more money.  oh and so does moya.  and newt.  and we're trying to land so and so from xyz who is entering the portal.   ummmmmm are we going to be doing this every single year into perpetuity like i'm basically funding a program on an annual basis?  F that.  

 

@mcm666 in terms of basketball, there are a number of Big East schools that I think are really going to start pulling in kids because they don't have football to worry about funding. 

 

With revenue share, schools can go up to 20 million (it's a little over 20 I've read).  Schools like IU will use all 20 million, but we will devote something like 75% to football while allocating 20% to basketball, like 4-5 million.  

 

A school like Nova, who doesn't play d1 football, won't have to use all 20 million.   They could do half of that and still out spend us by at least double.  Boosters can try and make up the difference, but are they going to keep paying for mediocre results?  I have a hard to thinking they will.  Add in the clearinghouse for all NIL deals over $600 and it'll be interesting to see what happens. 

 

Things are definitely changing.

@boogie honestly i stopped watching college bball many years ago.  tho i do have a great pic of isiah thomas holding my daughter framed in my office of collectibles @noodle what i wouldn't do for a perfect lsat to display amongst my treasures.  but yes that does make sense.  i intend to watch zero college basketball this year.  i will watch cfb bc i do love it.  barca psg real.  premier league.  BUT i am also going to follow the championship.  it's becoming really interesting with all the celebrity money.  it's merging my reality stories i love with the sport i love