The professional agitator knows things that the innocent protester does not, and uses them in ways that can get “good people“ killed.
cops are trained by lawyers and judges about their rights to conduct searches of people and vehicles to assure their own personal safety while investigating and enforcing the law. This is why every cop who has ever pulled you over approaches your drivers door or passenger door with their hand on their weapon. You think you are a good person. they do not know whether you are a good person or a serial killer. but the legal system has taught them intentionally that they are empowered to “give instructions“ and should perceive any delay or refusal as evidence of potential threat/aggression. They are also trained to “get the guns first.“ They are not gonna be nice to you until they feel safe, and the law has told them they can. And when a cop yells “GUN! GUN!”, every person nearby is in danger.
In addition, just like it Kent State, you can be nothing more than an innocent bystander, watching, and one knucklehead can be the proximate cause of your death.
every person who is attending the current protests in Minnesota and think nothing bad will happen to them because they are a good person is a tool to be used by both sides. They should not go. Let the combatants be the combatants.
Getting the gun first is certainly a good idea. Shooting the person 10 times, even though he/she is already subdued, disarmed, on the ground, had been pepper sprayed point blank, had been kicked repeatedly, and is surrounded by 6 agents, seems not likely to be in any training manual.
"You can't make someone listen to reason if they aren't willing to think"-- Ray Bradbury, Fahrenheit 451
Getting the gun first is certainly a good idea. Shooting the person 10 times, even though he/she is already subdued, disarmed, on the ground, had been pepper sprayed point blank, had been kicked repeatedly, and is surrounded by 6 agents, seems not likely to be in any training manual.
agreed
but the high percentage of idiots and rogue cops is why I’ll never be part of these types of “guaranteed violence” mostly-peaceful protest crowds
I learned the easy way from “the whole world is watching … you get bludgeoned by cops all the way to the paddy wagon”
The government still insists these were not rogue cops. They were heroes, stopping a terrorist who was hell-bent on mass murdering cops. The now have to live with the fact that it was imperative that they had to carry out their duty and take out that crazed terrorist. Those agents are the REAL VICTIMS.
"You can't make someone listen to reason if they aren't willing to think"-- Ray Bradbury, Fahrenheit 451
The government still insists these were not rogue cops. They were heroes, stopping a terrorist who was hell-bent on mass murdering cops. The now have to live with the fact that it was imperative that they had to carry out their duty and take out that crazed terrorist. Those agents are the REAL VICTIMS.
actually, i think the guy who said that was fired today
do not quote me
I was mostly paraphrasing Noem, but there might have been some Bovino language in there too. They were pretty much in lockstep. Or... goosestep.
"You can't make someone listen to reason if they aren't willing to think"-- Ray Bradbury, Fahrenheit 451
but the legal system has taught them intentionally that they are empowered to “give instructions“ and should perceive any delay or refusal as evidence of potential threat/aggression.
Yeah, this is the problem.
Getting the gun first is certainly a good idea. Shooting the person 10 times, even though he/she is already subdued, disarmed, on the ground, had been pepper sprayed point blank, had been kicked repeatedly, and is surrounded by 6 agents, seems not likely to be in any training manual.
agreed
but the high percentage of idiots and rogue cops is why I’ll never be part of these types of “guaranteed violence” mostly-peaceful protest crowds
I learned the easy way from “the whole world is watching … you get bludgeoned by cops all the way to the paddy wagon”
Your concerns are accurate and pragmatic. But they should not be our focus. If an innocent citizen can be murdered by federal officials because he put himself into a volatile situation, our focus should be on not letting federal officials turn volatile situations into murder.
All this "For my own safety, I'd stay away" advice is correct, but misses the point. The point is that it should be unnecessary.
Getting the gun first is certainly a good idea. Shooting the person 10 times, even though he/she is already subdued, disarmed, on the ground, had been pepper sprayed point blank, had been kicked repeatedly, and is surrounded by 6 agents, seems not likely to be in any training manual.
agreed
but the high percentage of idiots and rogue cops is why I’ll never be part of these types of “guaranteed violence” mostly-peaceful protest crowds
I learned the easy way from “the whole world is watching … you get bludgeoned by cops all the way to the paddy wagon”
Your concerns are accurate and pragmatic. But they should not be our focus. If an innocent citizen can be murdered by federal officials because he put himself into a volatile situation, our focus should be on not letting federal officials turn volatile situations into murder.
All this "For my own safety, I'd stay away" advice is correct, but misses the point. The point is that it should be unnecessary.
but now aren’t we back to “how does the federal government enforce federal law when dedicated insurrectionists intentionally and successful incite sufficient violence to prevent it, and sufficient to require clash with cops” - cops they know are trained to be as aggressive as necessary to quell violent opposition, with the rogues going straight to Defcon Dead Protestors?
I think we are also back to the Eisenhower moment - “the state has refused/failed to assure federal agencies can enforce federal law, so I’m sending the Army.”
He was just a peaceful observer.
https://twitter.com/i/status/2016620295772119083
https://twitter.com/i/status/2016619872147349906
Getting the gun first is certainly a good idea. Shooting the person 10 times, even though he/she is already subdued, disarmed, on the ground, had been pepper sprayed point blank, had been kicked repeatedly, and is surrounded by 6 agents, seems not likely to be in any training manual.
agreed
but the high percentage of idiots and rogue cops is why I’ll never be part of these types of “guaranteed violence” mostly-peaceful protest crowds
I learned the easy way from “the whole world is watching … you get bludgeoned by cops all the way to the paddy wagon”
Your concerns are accurate and pragmatic. But they should not be our focus. If an innocent citizen can be murdered by federal officials because he put himself into a volatile situation, our focus should be on not letting federal officials turn volatile situations into murder.
All this "For my own safety, I'd stay away" advice is correct, but misses the point. The point is that it should be unnecessary.
Nor should Leo training on how to handle people trying to impede their efforts, but here we are…
He wasn't during the incident where he was murdered. What he did two weeks prior has nothing to do with the incident where he was murdered.He was just a peaceful observer.
I'm am not sure what this info does other than serve as propaganda, character assassination(can't literally assassinate him anymore, so why not!), and victim blame.
By the way, neither incident, especially the 2nd, were grounds for execution.
He was just a peaceful observer.
Still doesn't justify shooting him.
Despite it being a very easy case, Trump is somehow incapable of making the public case for enforcement of our immigration laws. A first year law student with a speech impediment would do a better job.
And now that ICE has killed 2 people in circumstances where it was completely avoidable, the borders will fly open again as soon as the Democrats win the next presidential election.
"I'm right - go fuck yourself" doesn't get the job done.
He was just a peaceful observer.
Still doesn't justify shooting him.
Despite it being a very easy case, Trump is somehow incapable of making the public case for enforcement of our immigration laws. A first year law student with a speech impediment would do a better job.
And now that ICE has killed 2 people in circumstances where it was completely avoidable, the borders will fly open again as soon as the Democrats win the next presidential election.
"I'm right - go fuck yourself" doesn't get the job done.
Mostly agree, but it does lay waste to the idea that these are just people out recording ICE. As you mentioned above, they are professional agitators (and useful idiots) whose whole shtick is to invoke a response.
I do think you are right on the Democrats kicking open the border which is why I think you will still see this effort go into hyperdrive. 50%+ of the public is still for deporting ALL illegals. That was from multiple polls shared on CNN. They need to stop messing around with people and just detain them. Doesn't even matter if the charges stick, just causing them hardship every time they get out of line.
Mostly agree, but it does lay waste to the idea that these are just people out recording ICE. As you mentioned above, they are professional agitators (and useful idiots) whose whole shtick is to invoke a response.
What's the going rate? Where do I sign up? I've been agitating for free and I'm tired of it.
ETA: If Marvin is getting all the Soros money I'm going to be really shitty.
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