That the oath that our military takes is to The Constitution, and not the POTUS? I think its VERY important, with what the last Presidency devolved in to, and what this current one is devolving in to, that people are reminded that our military is beholden to The Constitution, and the laws of the land, and not to any single person. And while I don't think its probably necessary for most honorable military personnel, its not the worst thing in the world for the military themselves to be reminded that they'll be supported if they choose to not carry out orders that are unlawful.
I think we're now in the middle of an epic meltdown. And I honestly think our military personnel will actually have to make decisions on whether or not to carry out unlawful executive orders, if they haven't already had to.
I'm not a huge fan of some of those specific congress people, but I'm glad they said what they did.
They're advocating for literally the opposite of 'sedition'... you stupid MFer.
I agree with everything you've said here. Scary times indeed.
And to answer the question, I think either he doesn't know or doesn't care. The first time he acts or mentions that he's hemmed in by Constitutional restraints will be the first as far as I can see.
I think we’re now in the middle of an epic meltdown. And I honestly think our military personnel will actually have to make decisions on whether or not to carry out unlawful executive orders,
1) what is the epic meltdown?
2) what unlawful executive orders is the military being asked to carry out?
be more specific
I happen to know there is discussion going on in senior military circles about whether the strikes against the alleged drug boats resulting in summary executions of the personnel aboard is a legal action and whether the orders to do it are lawful. I think these are the potentially unlawful orders that are most on their minds. The other is the use of regular military (not National Guard) for civilian law enforcement. So far, they're not doing that (they're guarding buildings and things like that) but the President and Secretary of Defense seem to want to use the military for civilian law enforcement.I think we’re now in the middle of an epic meltdown. And I honestly think our military personnel will actually have to make decisions on whether or not to carry out unlawful executive orders,
1) what is the epic meltdown?
2) what unlawful executive orders is the military being asked to carry out?
be more specific
@mcm666 He called what those lawmakers said, 'seditious'. And then reposted references to hanging them, and followed it up with "punishable by death". What they said was not seditious, in any way, shape, or form.
So... for your "1" and "2"... nah... There's no need to be specific. I get it, he doesn't mean the shit he says. The loony left always means it... Trump is just funny and trolling everyone. The only good thing that's coming from this Trump unraveling, is seeing people bail on him. I've had more than a few interesting conversations with former ardent Trump supporters in my town, recently. He, and his Presidency, are melting down.
I hope good, strong, actual leaders step out of the shadows, from both sides, here soon.
Did you watch Eye in The Sky? Was that drone attack legal? Modern push-button warfare presents difficult moral, legal, and ethical questions. How, and at what level should those questions be addressed? There is no clear cut right or wrong. Should we always defer to the bottom of the chain of command?
What should the answer be if those boats are loaded with suicide vests bound for Miami? How about loaded with Stingers? Is lethal poison different?
So… for your “1” and “2”… nah…
nah. you need to be specific. what specific orders. and he said put on trial. so yeah. you need to be more specific.
sounds to me like dem reps being partisan as hell and stirring up shit. if i'm wrong. show me. specifically. i'm open-minded
That the oath that our military takes is to The Constitution, and not the POTUS? I think its VERY important, with what the last Presidency devolved in to, and what this current one is devolving in to, that people are reminded that our military is beholden to The Constitution, and the laws of the land, and not to any single person. And while I don't think its probably necessary for most honorable military personnel, its not the worst thing in the world for the military themselves to be reminded that they'll be supported if they choose to not carry out orders that are unlawful.
I think we're now in the middle of an epic meltdown. And I honestly think our military personnel will actually have to make decisions on whether or not to carry out unlawful executive orders, if they haven't already had to.
I'm not a huge fan of some of those specific congress people, but I'm glad they said what they did.
They're advocating for literally the opposite of 'sedition'... you stupid MFer.
I'm out of the loop. What orders are being deemed illegal in the video?
No. None of those boats we've blown up so far were capable of actually reaching Miami, or California in the case of the boats blown up on the Pacific side. Not that it really matters. It's very tough, probably impossible, to claim any imminent threat or the right of self-defense in any of these cases. There is no need to blow them up. We're fully capable of stopping them and capturing/arresting (that's why we have Coast Guard personnel on Navy ships) the criminals, confiscating or destroying the drugs and destroying the boats. We've done it for many, many years. We've been able to get info from the captured drug runners that have led law enforcement up the chain of command withing drug organizations and capture and arrest those people. We're gaining nothing from this except less trust from our international partners and puffed-up chests for the self-described SecWar and the President.Did you watch Eye in The Sky? Was that drone attack legal? Modern push-button warfare presents difficult moral, legal, and ethical questions. How, and at what level should those questions be addressed? There is no clear cut right or wrong. Should we always defer to the bottom of the chain of command?
What should the answer be if those boats are loaded with suicide vests bound for Miami? How about loaded with Stingers? Is lethal poison different?
@mcm666 Nah... I don't. The video doesn't mention specifics, but I think the mere existence of the video is probably enough to imply that there are questions coming from within Military ranks. Very odd, and random, thing to come out with if not.
And even if it was just some attempt on their part to troll Trump... he sure took that bait, and then some. Nothing in that video warranted the response he gave.
Sounds like Aloha knows of some concerns within military circles on some of their orders they're getting... Logic tells me those concerns are being conveyed to congress, and this group took the chance to politicize it. They could have sent private letters. The message is a valid, and necessary one, right now though.
I've heard it and they don't give any specific examples. Really all they're doing is reminding the military of what we're repeatedly told and trained about throughout our careers. It's comes from the UCMJ which says we're to follow all lawful orders and are to disobey all unlawful orders. It's not always clear what is unlawful, which is why there is much debate about the drug boat actions. The administration has found lawyers to make the case that they're legal which is providing cover for those doing this. We have had some early retirements/resignations of officers, including a four star, who feel it isn't lawful.That the oath that our military takes is to The Constitution, and not the POTUS? I think its VERY important, with what the last Presidency devolved in to, and what this current one is devolving in to, that people are reminded that our military is beholden to The Constitution, and the laws of the land, and not to any single person. And while I don't think its probably necessary for most honorable military personnel, its not the worst thing in the world for the military themselves to be reminded that they'll be supported if they choose to not carry out orders that are unlawful.
I think we're now in the middle of an epic meltdown. And I honestly think our military personnel will actually have to make decisions on whether or not to carry out unlawful executive orders, if they haven't already had to.
I'm not a huge fan of some of those specific congress people, but I'm glad they said what they did.
They're advocating for literally the opposite of 'sedition'... you stupid MFer.
I'm out of the loop. What orders are being deemed illegal in the video?
Incidentally, though nothing they said in that ad was seditious or anything of that sort, and they were only saying what nearly every person in the military already knows, I don't think they should have done the ad.
There are significant concerns, and Congress is well aware of it. As are the SecDef and President.@mcm666 Nah... I don't. The video doesn't mention specifics, but I think the mere existence of the video is probably enough to imply that there are questions coming from within Military ranks. Very odd, and random, thing to come out with if not.
And even if it was just some attempt on their part to troll Trump... he sure took that bait, and then some. Nothing in that video warranted the response he gave.
Sounds like Aloha knows of some concerns within military circles on some of their orders they're getting... Logic tells me those concerns are being conveyed to congress, and this group took the chance to politicize it. They could have sent private letters. The message is a valid, and necessary one, right now though.
All of the Congressmen in the audio served.
@iunorth sounds like stirring up partisan shit to me. For us to be in the “middle of an epic meltdown” I’d need specifics - more than boats off Miami or asking for a trial
@aloha-hoosier I think it’s funny that the last president had his condition concealed and today we’re burying a devil who cost us trillions and the lives of thousands.
but Trump. Wake me when something real is going on not politics
I've heard it and they don't give any specific examples. Really all they're doing is reminding the military of what we're repeatedly told and trained about throughout our careers. It's comes from the UCMJ which says we're to follow all lawful orders and are to disobey all unlawful orders. It's not always clear what is unlawful, which is why there is much debate about the drug boat actions. The administration has found lawyers to make the case that they're legal which is providing cover for those doing this. We have had some early retirements/resignations of officers, including a four star, who feel it isn't lawful.That the oath that our military takes is to The Constitution, and not the POTUS? I think its VERY important, with what the last Presidency devolved in to, and what this current one is devolving in to, that people are reminded that our military is beholden to The Constitution, and the laws of the land, and not to any single person. And while I don't think its probably necessary for most honorable military personnel, its not the worst thing in the world for the military themselves to be reminded that they'll be supported if they choose to not carry out orders that are unlawful.
I think we're now in the middle of an epic meltdown. And I honestly think our military personnel will actually have to make decisions on whether or not to carry out unlawful executive orders, if they haven't already had to.
I'm not a huge fan of some of those specific congress people, but I'm glad they said what they did.
They're advocating for literally the opposite of 'sedition'... you stupid MFer.
I'm out of the loop. What orders are being deemed illegal in the video?
Is the Coast Guard working with the military on this? Would that change the supposed legality? I assume senior military officials have intelligence that documents the illegal operations associated with their targets, or is that part of the issue?
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