@co-hoosier Trump lies, cheats, changes viewpoints faster than he changes his diaper... I get that he ends up pushing many things that are important to you, and that ends up being more important than the overwhelming volume of lies, to the point where they just become white noise to you... But you, very obviously implied, that one of the main differences between GOP and DNC...ideals...is that GOP holds their own accountable, and the DNC doesn't. Trump makes that claim patently absurd.
And no... I don't think Democrats, any time soon, will shift back toward the middle and be run more moderately. And I hate that just as much as I hate Trump and MAGA folks controlling the GOP. I think they're both very bad for the long term health of our country.
I never said the GOP holds their own to account. My accountability reference was about the media and public opinion. Both are much more aggressive in pointing out GOP distortions or maybe even lies. On the Democratic side, the media, and some public opinion, not only ignore left wing distortions and lies, they participate in it.
1) Mentions JFK as a good liberal & blames Vietnam on LBJ. Unironically mentions that JFK was a committed anti-communist. Completely ignores that the JFK administration supported the coup vs. Ngo Dinh Diem weeks before JFK was assassinated.
2) Blames liberals for the National Debt. Laughably wrong considering that conservatives have had plenty of chances over the last 25 years to get it in check through either the presidency, the Congress, or a capture of both and have equally failed miserably.
3) Title IX straw/bougie man as if every JV boys basketball player is cutting his nuts off so he can make all-conference on the girls team.
4) Throughout the piece offers far more conclusions than evidence. Is perfect for confirming what the reader wants to hear. Is poor for actually supporting a position.
5) Shoehorns MLK into the "dreamers" discussion. As if MLK invented the phrase "American Dream," which is what "dreamers" alludes to. Additionally, calls the "dreamers" "border hoppers" completely ignoring the whole point that the kids weren't the ones making these choices, it was their parents. Also claims that the dreamers would replace lost votes when DACA wasn't a citizenship deal.
Although I'd be interested to read his takedown of the Republican Party or conservatives for balance, I doubt he's capable of that level of introspection. But introspection doesn't get clicks. Very much a speck/plank article.
On that note, I just read Tim Alberta's "The Kingdom, the Power, & the Glory" on vacation.
https://www.amazon.com/Kingdom-Power-Glory-Evangelicals-Extremism/dp/006322688X
@co-hoosier I think this is a very new, and very Trump driven phenomena... if its even true. Someone really should be trying to hold all of them accountable for the things they say, and do. And when you have someone like Trump, that's putting out the volume of lies that he routinely is...stands to reason he, and his closest MAGA supporters, are going to be called to task more frequently.
Referencing media... I don't think the most obviously partisan ones should be factored in. Plenty of right wing media out there doing similar things that left wing media are. That leaves media that are genuinely trying to be non partisan... and I think two things can be true with those media sources...1)they have historically tended to lean a little further left, and their reporting follows that 2) Trump gives them such massive content, that it grossly exaggerates their coverage...and probably does cause them to miss noteworthy mistakes, lies, misdeeds, on the Democratic side.
I don't think you meant exclusively media originally. But in classic CoH...goalposts moved...
If there goal posts present, you constructed them not me. My only reference was to the media.
Thanks for the thoughtful response. While I think the link is a succinct statement of the Democrats today, the points are certainly not immune from debate. But I think the general theme is spot on. The Democrats are becoming less substantive and more theatrical. I agree the boys in woman’s sports is not a huge issue, so why do many democrats pick that hill to fight on? They even threaten federal funds with that nonsense not to mention poking a stick in the eye of girl competitors.
Mamdani and his #1 supporter AOC are not a good look for sensible Democrats, yet they attract gobs of leftist attention. Many seem to see them as the future of the Democratic Party.
Trump is also a showman, but he is very substantive too. The Big Beautiful Bill presented many avenues of intelligent and substantive debate. Instead the Democrats meet it with theatrics and nonsense.
@co-hoosier I think every day for the last 5 years or so there have been at least two threads dedicating to "discussing" (it's usually more like ridiculing) current Democratic stances on a wide variety of things from "gender affirming care" for minors to DEI in schools and govt. to socialism.
@co-hoosier I think every day for the last 5 years or so there have been at least two threads dedicating to "discussing" (it's usually more like ridiculing) current Democratic stances on a wide variety of things from "gender affirming care" for minors to DEI in schools and govt. to socialism.
There is a lot more to my point than DEI and gender affirming care.
When Bill Clinton was president, he co-opted some conservative talking points (tough on crime, small government, welfare) in order to hold power and build political capital.
After the eloquent, charismatic, but banal, Obama Presidency, the Democrats were mostly rudderless. They found their direction with anger and hatred of Trump. (Of course he egged them on). Trump hatred at all levels of government where Democrats were in control, was their overriding policy objective.
The Clinton approach of appropriating popular ideas of the opposition is now gone. Now we have full- throated total resistance and confrontation of everything and Republicans, or Trump, stand for. Some democratic officials at all levels of government, call for a complete dismantling of the federal government and blame the U.S. for wars, oppression, and misery in the world. F*ck the Fourth is their battle cry. Mamdani’s revolutionary message is not too subtle.
I don’t think Democratic anger and hatred has reached critical mass yet. But the Mamdani nomination, his AOC et al supporters, the increasing random acts of violence against many federal institutions and the incessant hate America drivel from various influencers show the stockpile is steadily becoming bigger.
@co-hoosier I think every day for the last 5 years or so there have been at least two threads dedicating to "discussing" (it's usually more like ridiculing) current Democratic stances on a wide variety of things from "gender affirming care" for minors to DEI in schools and govt. to socialism.
Some democratic officials at all levels of government, call for a complete dismantling of the federal government and blame the U.S. for wars, oppression, and misery in the world.
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