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dbmhoosier
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Posted by: @dbmhoosier

No surprise to anyone.  

https://twitter.com/SenRonJohnson/status/1975332054981136410?t=VeOdvJUUEtRtbG_cS2XjQA&s=19

https://twitter.com/MarshaBlackburn/status/1975326975435956296?t=oHC3rKMY_zSZfXugdRO5Bg&s=19

Jack Smith ordered this  surveillance pursuant to his J6 investigation.  There are many reasons why Jack Smith is an awful public servant and worse attorney.  This adds to that list.  There are good solid ethical and practical reasons why the functions of prosecuting attorney and investigating crimes are usually kept separate.  That is one problem with how the US government does political investigations and prosecutions under the rubric of “special counsel”.  Smith made the idea of special counsel evan worse.  

 


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Posted : 10/07/2025 1:55 am
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Posted by: @co-hoosier

Posted by: @dbmhoosier

No surprise to anyone.  

https://twitter.com/SenRonJohnson/status/1975332054981136410?t=VeOdvJUUEtRtbG_cS2XjQA&s=19

https://twitter.com/MarshaBlackburn/status/1975326975435956296?t=oHC3rKMY_zSZfXugdRO5Bg&s=19

Jack Smith ordered this  surveillance pursuant to his J6 investigation.  There are many reasons why Jack Smith is an awful public servant and worse attorney.  This adds to that list.  There are good solid ethical and practical reasons why the functions of prosecuting attorney and investigating crimes are usually kept separate.  That is one problem with how the US government does political investigations and prosecutions under the rubric of “special counsel”.  Smith made the idea of special counsel evan worse.  

 

I am unhappy with the GOP at the moment but suspected these types of shenanigans have been going on since the Obama administration.  Things that people are mad about Trump doing are things the people they support have done.  And whenever the Democrats get control of the executive back, things Trump is doing now will be viewed as justification for what they do then.  We just continue to circle the drain because it inevitably becomes a tit for tat. Those other guys did it and it was effective, so why should I unilaterally disarm?

Our political class is wholly unserious.

 


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Posted : 10/07/2025 7:01 am
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I don’t know how you could take one look at Jack Smith, see his hollowed out eyes and pale white complexion, and come away with anything other than

 

”Stay as far as fuck away from this creep as possible” 

 

DJT labeled him “deranged”. Probably his most on point and fitting insult. 


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Posted : 10/07/2025 8:28 am
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Goat
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Posted by: @iucrazy2

Posted by: @co-hoosier

Posted by: @dbmhoosier

No surprise to anyone.  

https://twitter.com/SenRonJohnson/status/1975332054981136410?t=VeOdvJUUEtRtbG_cS2XjQA&s=19

https://twitter.com/MarshaBlackburn/status/1975326975435956296?t=oHC3rKMY_zSZfXugdRO5Bg&s=19

Jack Smith ordered this  surveillance pursuant to his J6 investigation.  There are many reasons why Jack Smith is an awful public servant and worse attorney.  This adds to that list.  There are good solid ethical and practical reasons why the functions of prosecuting attorney and investigating crimes are usually kept separate.  That is one problem with how the US government does political investigations and prosecutions under the rubric of “special counsel”.  Smith made the idea of special counsel evan worse.  

 

I am unhappy with the GOP at the moment but suspected these types of shenanigans have been going on since the Obama administration.  Things that people are mad about Trump doing are things the people they support have done.  And whenever the Democrats get control of the executive back, things Trump is doing now will be viewed as justification for what they do then.  We just continue to circle the drain because it inevitably becomes a tit for tat. Those other guys did it and it was effective, so why should I unilaterally disarm?

Our political class is wholly unserious.

 

To be clear, Jack Smith got call logs as part of his investigation into potential criminal activity. This isn't some kind of underhanded political spying. People are blowing this way out of proportion.

Your thoughts on the issue generally are spot on. This just isn't a very good example of it.

 


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Posted : 10/07/2025 12:11 pm
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CO. Hoosier
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Posted by: @goat

To be clear, Jack Smith got call logs as part of his investigation into potential criminal activity.

Do you really think Smith had any reason to suspect criminal activity by the named Senators?  He wasn’t suspicious, he was hoping.  


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Posted : 10/07/2025 1:36 pm
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Posted by: @goat

To be clear, Jack Smith got call logs as part of his investigation into potential criminal activity.

Do you really think Smith had any reason to suspect criminal activity by the named Senators?  He wasn’t suspicious, he was hoping.  

IIRC, they had claims that the people organizing the false electors were in contact with some members of Congress. Call logs would be a good way to verify that.

 


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Posted : 10/07/2025 1:53 pm
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BradStevens
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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna249715


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Posted : 12/17/2025 7:14 pm
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Posted by: @dbmhoosier

No surprise to anyone.  

https://twitter.com/SenRonJohnson/status/1975332054981136410?t=VeOdvJUUEtRtbG_cS2XjQA&s=19

https://twitter.com/MarshaBlackburn/status/1975326975435956296?t=oHC3rKMY_zSZfXugdRO5Bg&s=19

You don't know this is old news??? They got their phone records as part of the election interference investigation. They didn't wiretap them, it's not SPYING, they just were looking to see who they were calling surrounding J6 and the election interference investigation. Good.

 


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Posted : 12/17/2025 8:08 pm
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Posted by: @co-hoosier

Posted by: @goat

To be clear, Jack Smith got call logs as part of his investigation into potential criminal activity.

Do you really think Smith had any reason to suspect criminal activity by the named Senators?  He wasn’t suspicious, he was hoping.  

Yes, but not necessarily their criminal activity. He was investigating Trump's efforts to change the result of the election and. He had reports that Republicans in Congress were being contacted about efforts to organize fake electors in various states which Trump lost.

Here's Smith's report, which I'm confident those critical of Smith have never read.

Final Report on the Special Counsel's Investigations and Prosecutions Volume One

 


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Posted : 12/17/2025 8:15 pm
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Posted by: @bradstevens

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna249715

Smith has let the committee know he's eager to testify in a public hearing. Republicans don't want to do that. It should all be public. Nothing is classified about the election interference case and only the contents of the classified documents Trump had but shouldn't remain classified.

 


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Posted : 12/17/2025 8:17 pm
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BradStevens
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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna249715

Smith has let the committee know he's eager to testify in a public hearing. Republicans don't want to do that. It should all be public. Nothing is classified about the election interference case and only the contents of the classified documents Trump had but shouldn't remain classified.

 

I'm not sure he should have ever dismissed this case if he thought he had the goods. 

 


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Posted : 12/17/2025 8:59 pm
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Posted by: @bradstevens

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna249715

Smith has let the committee know he's eager to testify in a public hearing. Republicans don't want to do that. It should all be public. Nothing is classified about the election interference case and only the contents of the classified documents Trump had but shouldn't remain classified.

 

I'm not sure he should have ever dismissed this case if he thought he had the goods. 

 

I'm sure he didn't want to, but he was ordered to because Trump was elected President. Can't prosecute the President by DoJ rules. I personally think that rule is ridiculous. What happens if the President has a political opponent assassinated. Is that not the investigated and prosecuted? What if it's found that a President is funneling highly classified information to China in exchange for millions? Shouldn't that be investigated and prosecuted? I think both the cases were about crimes worthy of prosecution even if the President is the President.

 


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Posted : 12/17/2025 9:03 pm
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Posted by: @aloha-hoosier

Posted by: @bradstevens

Posted by: @aloha-hoosier

Posted by: @bradstevens

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna249715

Smith has let the committee know he's eager to testify in a public hearing. Republicans don't want to do that. It should all be public. Nothing is classified about the election interference case and only the contents of the classified documents Trump had but shouldn't remain classified.

 

I'm not sure he should have ever dismissed this case if he thought he had the goods. 

 

I'm sure he didn't want to, but he was ordered to because Trump was elected President. Can't prosecute the President by DoJ rules. I personally think that rule is ridiculous. What happens if the President has a political opponent assassinated. Is that not the investigated and prosecuted? What if it's found that a President is funneling highly classified information to China in exchange for millions? Shouldn't that be investigated and prosecuted? I think both the cases were about crimes worthy of prosecution even if the President is the President.

 

That situation probably falls within the DOJ memo that they are relying on. I haven't read it, but I'd imagine maybe the thinking is you have to impeach him first, remove him from office, and then you can prosecute (ironically, that's a version of the argument Trump's lawyers used in the immunity case). 

But this case is slightly different and might not have been contemplated:  do you have to dismiss an active and ongoing claim against someone for breaking federal law before they were elected President, if they are elected President?  In that framing, it's more complicated.  Maybe you reach the same result, maybe not.  

 


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Posted : 12/17/2025 9:14 pm
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But this case is slightly different and might not have been contemplated:  do you have to dismiss an active and ongoing claim against someone for breaking federal law before they were elected President, if they are elected President?  In that framing, it's more complicated.  Maybe you reach the same result, maybe not.  

It's an interesting thought, but given this Supreme Court I think we all know how it would have panned out.


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