@jdb This is a great topic and I have some definite ideas, but the constant personal attacks between Shooter and Mrs. Doubtfire are a real disincentive to participation. It seems they derail every thread. Is there any mechanism for reporting that kind of behavior and what, if anything, might be the result?
There's a Report button on every post. Sammy pays attention.
Send an avalanche of 'reporting.
Nothing...I repeat nothing will be done.
You're not doing it right.
The divisions now seem different. Historical divisions were about policy issues and ideas. Those tend to go away through compromise and changing attitudes. Now divisions are about demographics, men, women; black, white, brown; young, old; and more. Seems like those who see divisions as advantageous will turn it into a demographic contest. Hard to move away from that.
Is that accurate though, CO? The 60s was a powder keg, partly driven by the civil rights movement (seems racial and demographic). There was an upset, protest-filled youth that seems like Gen Z. There was growing divisiveness between urban and rural areas that wasn't repaired until the 80s, and even then, was only modestly repaired.
Why is it different? Most people don't support trans acceptance as the norm, but moderate Dems are just afraid to speak out on the topic.
It's not different. I had long discussions with my late father about growing up in the 60s era. It was much more divided than what we have today. There were the racial elements with the civil rights era that was a powder keg... But also the draft. And kids getting sent in large numbers to Vietnam. All going on together.
We have none of that today. All we have now is faux outrage due to social media, and bots that drive enragement for engagement.
The reality is we live in a peaceful country, with MUCH lower crime rates than existed in the supposed golden years of the 70s and 80s. What's changed is the Internet and the inability of humans to process. We should be living our best life, instead everyone is depressed and anxiety ridden because of the screens in front of their face.
Dirty populists that claim they are the govt solution to economic trends that were and are inevitable. The US was never going to maintain world peace and economic dominance at the same time. You have to choose.
Instead people grasp onto all kinds of ridiculous ideas that defy the reality of human history.
I'm not saying I think everything will be great. I just think both sides will lose a little bit of steam when he's gone, and that should at least help a bit.
This is true if you think Trump causes division. That might be partially true. I think Trump is more of a product of division.
@co-hoosier Both. That Obama monkey shit he posted was ridiculous. A sane person would claim a staffer did it and he immediately terminated him and apologizes
It's not different. I had long discussions with my late father about growing up in the 60s era. It was much more divided than what we have today.
Our 60’s leadership in all branches and all levels of government was less divided in the 60’s than it is now. That made the 60’s seem less divided even though I generally agree with your comments. Congress now operates in cram-down mode for important legislation. I think the courts are more political. The presidents and various administrations, particularly Obama, Biden, and Trump were and are much more strident and uncompromising than Kennedy, Nixon, et al.
Both. That Obama monkey shit he posted was ridiculous. A sane person would claim a staffer did it and he immediately terminated him and apologizes
Still waiting for an apology for “The Republicans want to put y’all back in chains.”
@co-hoosier I think we're going to see a level of wealth and economic inequality that is unmatched in our history. That prick Kroenke but a million acres in New Mexico. That means he owns more than 1 percent of all the land in the state. One person. Musk on paper is approaching a trillionaire. Mr. Beast is asking whether he should throw a hundred mil at ECU and see if he can get a G5 a national football championship. NYC, the largest city in America, the locus of the party, voted for a socialist who is probably actually a communist and he wanted to soft pedal it. I just don't see much to compare with our present division and what we are going to see in the years to come.
Crossroads?
All I need to know is, am I dragging something home dead, or something dead home.
If men were any more stupid, we would have breed for the extinction of women. Proof yet again that WE are the best thing they have going for them.
@sharinincarmel you show me an individual case and I’ll tell you whether that person was screwed over by “the system”.
The “K shaped economy” to the extent that exists and even if it did exist represents a real problem is not a compelling reason for social unrest to me.
My experience is the bottom arm of the K don’t have it that bad compared to pretty much anyone else in the world and even the lower class of Americans historically.
Don’t begrudge outliers like Kroenke, Musk and Mr. Beast what is rightfully theirs as if the amount of wealth is fixed. That’s just called jealousy. This is day one stuff.
If the property ladder is harder to get on and is no longer the wealth building tool it once was, then it’s a good thing the S&P 500 has gone up 700% since 2000. Store your money there. If owning a home is extremely important to you and you are priced out of the market you live in, move to a cheaper market. And you don’t have to live in the sticks, see below:
- Texas: Austin (largest declines nationwide), Dallas-Fort Worth.
- Florida: Cape Coral, Punta Gorda, Tampa-St. Petersburg, North Port-Sarasota-Bradenton, Fort Lauderdale.
- West/Mountain West: Stockton-Lodi (CA), Sacramento (CA), San Francisco (CA), Denver-Aurora (CO), Spokane (WA), Phoenix (AZ).
- Other Areas: New Orleans (LA), Raleigh (NC), Indianapolis (IN), Salt Lake City (UT), and Nashville (TN).
@carramrod I don't begrudge anyone's wealth. and i concur that our poor are better off than the poor in places all over the world. i'm not sure i agree with the acquisition of finite things like land being concentrated in a billionaire class. and i think home ownership is a foundational thing that has guided workers for decades. the american dream is predicated on the home bit. when the avg house today is $500k and the average salary is $60k and individuals can buy one million acres, more than 1 percent of an entire state, we're going to see some resentment that is going to manifest
@sharinincarmel home ownership was prized because it was an effective wealth building vehicle. The rest is sentimentalism and nostalgia if other effective vehicles are available.
The single income, blue collar job, homeowner with several kids and the wife at home is anomalous in human history. The entire world was destroyed in the 50’s and the U.S. got to enjoy stuff like that.
We suffer from an inability to develop land and build homes (don’t vote Democrat). Not a scarcity of land ready for development.
You really have focused on that one dumb and divisive political statement by Biden and ignore literally hundreds of dumb, cruel and extremely divisive statements from Trump, including this obviously racist video he reposted. There has not been a more divisive President in my lifetime than Trump. He literally believes, and has said, that about half the country are his enemies. That’s every Democrat and every Republican that isn’t showing him the loyalty he demands. He’s literally weaponized the justice system against his perceived enemies. Yet you don’t really think he’s divisive. That’s just incredible to me. The mental gymnastics you must engage in should be physically painful.Both. That Obama monkey shit he posted was ridiculous. A sane person would claim a staffer did it and he immediately terminated him and apologizes
Still waiting for an apology for “The Republicans want to put y’all back in chains.”
@carramrod I don't begrudge anyone's wealth. and i concur that our poor are better off than the poor in places all over the world. i'm not sure i agree with the acquisition of finite things like land being concentrated in a billionaire class. and i think home ownership is a foundational thing that has guided workers for decades. the american dream is predicated on the home bit. when the avg house today is $500k and the average salary is $60k and individuals can buy one million acres, more than 1 percent of an entire state, we're going to see some resentment that is going to manifest
Just say it......say the word that fixes it
Neither Trump, nor any politician, could divide me from those I respect. it takes no mental gymnastics at all to be that way. Those who allow such divisions from friends, family, or others have the problem, not Trump.
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