@openwheel Dolson gets credit for the hire, but it was pretty much a no-lose for him. If Cig had come in, won 8 games and gone to a bowl each of his first two years, we'd have been thrilled. Making thje CFP in year one and winning it in year two was not a turnaround anyone thought was possible or had ever seen, so that was not the expectation by any means.
What does what the expectation have to do with it though? If Cig had come in and won eight games it still is a great hire. Other coaches didn't do that. Sure, more out there who could do that. But Dolson picked a better or the best one.
And we need to give the athletic department credit for the improvements and preparation they did for years prior. Readying or improving facilities, to become good. And Dolson played a role in recent years. He was a big part of pushing football. Didn't happen in a vacuum.
Then sure, Dolson got a bit lucky with the coach being available the year we needed him. But it was still his hire. Other schools made hires. Yes, we all thought it was almost a dunk. As soon as rumor of Cig came out - 90% of the board switched off of their favorite guy and said 'yeah, sounds good.' But it wasn't a slam dunk, dude was 60 years old. Dolson wasn't stupid though, and pulled the trigger.
@iugradman This is what I am expecting/hoping for - an easy, smooth transition to Haines.
the article doesn't say anything about the rest of the athletic dept. it compared basketballs blunder to footballs meteoric rise and the transition of the fanbase as such. If you want to infer something that's on you. Is football the cash cow.... duh... it just took us 50 years to figure that out. So to say our athletic dept now somehow has it all figured out.. we can hope .. but I wouldn't assume. One bad move could send us spiraling backward.
I'm not talking about the article, I was responding to a Mr. Miserable post. Nor did I say the athletic dept "has it all figured out."
What I said is the athletic dept has been doing a good job lately because the positives have significantly outweighed the negatives.
And yea, they have to keep it up and fix bball blah blah blah of course.
@openwheel Fair points, yes Dolson picked a winner. But at the time IU was the worst college program in history. He could hardly make it worse, and expectations were low. Basketball still has a big (though declining) fanbase that rememers the glory days and wants them back. The judgement is harsher. CDD may well be a good enough coach that he gets us back to the top half of the conference and making the tournament most years, but the expectation (and stated goal) is to win championships. That was never the expectation for Football (until it happened).
Yeah. Agreed. Fingers crossed on DeVries. I like the new executive director position though. We've made progress over the previous regime. How much, I don't know. Jury is out.
Never thought I'd read something like this. Perception is reality.
What are the odds of all this happening:
--IU football loses 2 games in 2 years, to the 1st & 2nd ranked teams in CF;
--We go 16-0 in year 2;
--Our player wins the Heisman;
--Numerous other players win all-BT and AA honors;
--Our Coach is national coach of the year....twice;
--Our DC wins the Broyle's award;
--We break Oregon's long homefield win streak;
--We beat the team then-ranked #9 63-10
--We beat Purdue in consecutive years by a combined score of 122-3;
--We win a BTC by beating the #1 ranked team;
--We win a Rose Bowl game;
--We win a PB game;
--In the PB game, our DB has a pick 6 on the 1st play;
--We win the NC game;
--In the NC game, we block a punt for a TD;
--We beat teams ranked #s 1,3 then 5, 9, 9 & 10 when we play them, with only one being a home game;
--We beat OSU, Alabama, Oregon & Miami consecutively, Miami in their home stadium; and
--After the season, we retain our HC and both coordinators?
Would 1M to 1 be too high or too low?
IU BB sinking? Might as well put a new article up about the Titanic continuing to sink in 2026.
Yeah. Agreed. Fingers crossed on DeVries. I like the new executive director position though. We've made progress over the previous regime. How much, I don't know. Jury is out.
That was a very low bar though Woodson was very possibly the laziest coach in all of Division 1. Certainly one of the least qualified ones imo. This team needs to be challenging for a sweet sixteen next year or they will not be meeting expectations. That is very reasonable expectation at a school like IU in the portal era.
Two good years in football doesn’t undo the decades long shitshow fans had to endure in both sports.
Dolson identified DeVries and that turned out to be a disaster. He is no savant when it comes to hiring coaches.
Facilities were neglected for years and the one thing Glass gets credit for is upgrading them to passable status. But then you see what Texas Tech has and it makes IU look like a D3 program.
Cignetti is a diamond on a cigar band.
Reality is reality.Never thought I'd read something like this. Perception is reality.
The only thing missing from that article is a flamethrower. Sadly, every word is true.
Cig is going to keep winning, so the chasm between the two sports will only get wider. (Well, until Brad comes on his white horse to save the day.)
A lot of people say we got beyond lucky with the Cig hiring, why is that? Did he reach out to IU or something? Did a bunch of other things happen to make him and IU the only possibility for both? IU made a great decision, I'm not sure they could predict how great but they didn't hire him with the idea of oh well.
It was a splendid hire. I, for one, don't give two shits about the how and why of it. Cig is here, and that's all that matters.A lot of people say we got beyond lucky with the Cig hiring, why is that? Did he reach out to IU or something? Did a bunch of other things happen to make him and IU the only possibility for both? IU made a great decision, I'm not sure they could predict how great but they didn't hire him with the idea of oh well.
A lot of people say we got beyond lucky with the Cig hiring, why is that? Did he reach out to IU or something? Did a bunch of other things happen to make him and IU the only possibility for both? IU made a great decision, I'm not sure they could predict how great but they didn't hire him with the idea of oh well.
lucky in a different sense... we made the hire there was nothing lucky about the transaction... the lucky part is he won a national championship in year 2. And I will guarantee you that not you nor anyone thought that would happen. Not Dolson not whitten none of us , maybe Cig did .. but that's it. I'm talking at the time of hire. No one could have predicted that success I think they likely thought they found someone who get us back to respectability or rather not back to but get to a level of respectability.. that's the part that's lucky.
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