I said 8-12 but that is assuming we have no injuries because there is zero and I mean zero margin for error with the lack of depth DD put together . If Wilkerson or Tucker go out for any lengh of time its probably looking more like 6-14 at best imo. I see some said 10-10 but everything would have to go right and the threes would have to fall at a high level for that to happen imo.
If the rankings (NCAA NET, KenPom, Bart Torvik) are examined, Indiana is an NCAA tourney team as the metrics for the Hoosiers are decent.
That's the oddest thing about this team. Every analytic measurement of where IU stands looks far better than the eye test does. Except offensive efficiency which shows how inconsistent we are on that end. There's some really surprising metrics so far on the defensive end.. Def rebounding has improved to where its no longer considered weak. 2pt defense, 3pt defense, overall defense is really good.
So this is an exercise in data nerds vs disgruntled bitchy old men. Who will win? I'll lean towards the data nerds. They're not skewed by emotion.
Also, remember when teams actually became better through the season? In season team development isn't a novel idea. It hasn't happened since RMK, but it's still possible. We've become so conditioned by the inept coaching that we no longer even consider it happening.
@gerdis I'm not applauding DeVries and the band of warriors he assembled as a team. These are the guys he selected. Back last summer I was skeptical the roster was capable of competing at a high level in the Big 10. Just looking at the situation as a supporter of IU basketball and sharing my comments on a discussion board. IU is obviously going to struggle greatly against the more physical and athletic teams of the Big 10. Getting into the NCAA tournament will earn from me a "highly pleased" based on the talent. What are my choices other than to throw in the towel and be pissed off for the next two months? I am as frustrated with Indiana basketball as anyone on the board. I experienced the three national champs of the Knight era the failures of the program that have followed and have spent many an hour in Assembly Hall over the years. I'm not making excuses for DeVries as I too will be disappointed if he does as poorly as Woodson did in his first year. Woodson's first team actually played in the NCAA tourney through the play-in game beating Wyoming. In that 2021-22 season Woodson was 21-14 and 9-11 in the conference which put them 9th in a league of 13 teams.
@gerdis I'm not applauding DeVries and the band of warriors he assembled as a team. These are the guys he selected. Back last summer I was skeptical the roster was capable of competing at a high level in the Big 10. Just looking at the situation as a supporter of IU basketball and sharing my comments on a discussion board. IU is obviously going to struggle greatly against the more physical and athletic teams of the Big 10. Getting into the NCAA tournament will earn from me a "highly pleased" based on the talent. What are my choices other than to throw in the towel and be pissed off for the next two months? I am as frustrated with Indiana basketball as anyone on the board. I experienced the three national champs of the Knight era the failures of the program that have followed and have spent many an hour in Assembly Hall over the years. I'm not making excuses for DeVries as I too will be disappointed if he does as poorly as Woodson did in his first year. Woodson's first team actually played in the NCAA tourney through the play-in game beating Wyoming. In that 2021-22 season Woodson was 21-14 and 9-11 in the conference which put them 9th in a league of 13 teams.
reasonable thoughts.
i guess I just moved on a long time ago. I’m not going to be miserable or upset . Im just not that interested, and I have developed some healthier ways to fill my time.
@gerdis I'm not applauding DeVries and the band of warriors he assembled as a team. These are the guys he selected. Back last summer I was skeptical the roster was capable of competing at a high level in the Big 10. Just looking at the situation as a supporter of IU basketball and sharing my comments on a discussion board. IU is obviously going to struggle greatly against the more physical and athletic teams of the Big 10. Getting into the NCAA tournament will earn from me a "highly pleased" based on the talent. What are my choices other than to throw in the towel and be pissed off for the next two months? I am as frustrated with Indiana basketball as anyone on the board. I experienced the three national champs of the Knight era the failures of the program that have followed and have spent many an hour in Assembly Hall over the years. I'm not making excuses for DeVries as I too will be disappointed if he does as poorly as Woodson did in his first year. Woodson's first team actually played in the NCAA tourney through the play-in game beating Wyoming. In that 2021-22 season Woodson was 21-14 and 9-11 in the conference which put them 9th in a league of 13 teams.
reasonable thoughts.
i guess I just moved on a long time ago. I’m not going to be miserable or upset . Im just not that interested, and I have developed some healthier ways to fill my time.
Bingo. Its not even worth getting upset about anymore I am just numb to the whole program. I watched about 5 minutes last night 20 years ago I would have watched every second of every game. I got more free time now to do other things. I mean it stinks but its not worth getting invested in this program anymore they have been nothing for 25 years plus.
@gerdis I'm not applauding DeVries and the band of warriors he assembled as a team. These are the guys he selected. Back last summer I was skeptical the roster was capable of competing at a high level in the Big 10. Just looking at the situation as a supporter of IU basketball and sharing my comments on a discussion board. IU is obviously going to struggle greatly against the more physical and athletic teams of the Big 10. Getting into the NCAA tournament will earn from me a "highly pleased" based on the talent. What are my choices other than to throw in the towel and be pissed off for the next two months? I am as frustrated with Indiana basketball as anyone on the board. I experienced the three national champs of the Knight era the failures of the program that have followed and have spent many an hour in Assembly Hall over the years. I'm not making excuses for DeVries as I too will be disappointed if he does as poorly as Woodson did in his first year. Woodson's first team actually played in the NCAA tourney through the play-in game beating Wyoming. In that 2021-22 season Woodson was 21-14 and 9-11 in the conference which put them 9th in a league of 13 teams.
Its difficult to compare season vs season strictly on conference record now that the league has ballooned so much and the unbalanced schedules are wildly inconsistent.
That first Woodson season needed the miracle B1GT run to crawl into the tournament as a play-in game. KP/NET were both around 50ish heading into the tournament and the 2 Q1 wins dropped us to 38 NET and 40 KP before selection Sunday which let us squeek in. Of course, the 500 point loss to St. Mary's gave us a final KP of 48 on the year (Archie's last season was 50).
Obviously, nobody is going to be 'happy' with a play-in game this year (regardless of how we achieve it). Ideally we'd get in somewhat comfortably and win a game to build momentum heading to next year/portal season. I don't know if that will be enough to get the donors on board or not but its basically what Kelsey achieved in his first year which led to a nice jump this year.
Anything less and its hard to see how the staff climbs out of the hole unless they can find a few mega donors who buy in and give them what they need to completely transform the talent level.
@gerdis I'm not applauding DeVries and the band of warriors he assembled as a team. These are the guys he selected. Back last summer I was skeptical the roster was capable of competing at a high level in the Big 10. Just looking at the situation as a supporter of IU basketball and sharing my comments on a discussion board. IU is obviously going to struggle greatly against the more physical and athletic teams of the Big 10. Getting into the NCAA tournament will earn from me a "highly pleased" based on the talent. What are my choices other than to throw in the towel and be pissed off for the next two months? I am as frustrated with Indiana basketball as anyone on the board. I experienced the three national champs of the Knight era the failures of the program that have followed and have spent many an hour in Assembly Hall over the years. I'm not making excuses for DeVries as I too will be disappointed if he does as poorly as Woodson did in his first year. Woodson's first team actually played in the NCAA tourney through the play-in game beating Wyoming. In that 2021-22 season Woodson was 21-14 and 9-11 in the conference which put them 9th in a league of 13 teams.
Its difficult to compare season vs season strictly on conference record now that the league has ballooned so much and the unbalanced schedules are wildly inconsistent.
That first Woodson season needed the miracle B1GT run to crawl into the tournament as a play-in game. KP/NET were both around 50ish heading into the tournament and the 2 Q1 wins dropped us to 38 NET and 40 KP before selection Sunday which let us squeek in. Of course, the 500 point loss to St. Mary's gave us a final KP of 48 on the year (Archie's last season was 50).
Obviously, nobody is going to be 'happy' with a play-in game this year (regardless of how we achieve it). Ideally we'd get in somewhat comfortably and win a game to build momentum heading to next year/portal season. I don't know if that will be enough to get the donors on board or not but its basically what Kelsey achieved in his first year which led to a nice jump this year.
Anything less and its hard to see how the staff climbs out of the hole unless they can find a few mega donors who buy in and give them what they need to completely transform the talent level.
The thing its not like Crean where you can just take three or four years to get your recruits in and everyone will patient. NIL changed all that. If he fails to make the tourney this year getting any sort real money to get the players he needs it going to be next to impossible. It will all go to football. Bailey is literally getting what Ballo did last year that is how much it went up in one year. And after the last 8 years getting mega donors to buy in will be very hard unless you start winning big.
@arioznahoosier4554 Yes, the landscape was far different when Crean coached IU. DeVries may well only get two years to see what he can do and with middling results could be gone in two years.
@arioznahoosier4554 Yes, the landscape was far different when Crean coached IU. DeVries may well only get two years to see what he can do and with middling results could be gone in two years.
He should get no more than two years if the results are not good. What good would a third year do at that point as it is now next year the whole starting lineup will be brand new once again.
@arioznahoosier4554 Yes, the landscape was far different when Crean coached IU. DeVries may well only get two years to see what he can do and with middling results could be gone in two years.
He should get no more than two years if the results are not good. What good would a third year do at that point as it is now next year the whole starting lineup will be brand new once again.
he had/has the resources to make the tourney this yr
anything above is gravy.....anything less....
time to do the job he's being well paid for and coach them up
some of it is woodson and co. fault but im tired of excuses
@drjb 11-9 right here! If we stay healthy we are going to win games we didn't think we'd win, and obviously we will lose some games we shouldn't. But all said and done, this team makes the tournament and goes 11-9 in CDD's first year. Go Hoosiers!
@drjb 11-9 right here! If we stay healthy we are going to win games we didn't think we'd win, and obviously we will lose some games we shouldn't. But all said and done, this team makes the tournament and goes 11-9 in CDD's first year. Go Hoosiers!
i'll take it
i hope you're right
If the rankings (NCAA NET, KenPom, Bart Torvik) are examined, Indiana is an NCAA tourney team as the metrics for the Hoosiers are decent.
That's the oddest thing about this team. Every analytic measurement of where IU stands looks far better than the eye test does. Except offensive efficiency which shows how inconsistent we are on that end. There's some really surprising metrics so far on the defensive end.. Def rebounding has improved to where its no longer considered weak. 2pt defense, 3pt defense, overall defense is really good.
So this is an exercise in data nerds vs disgruntled bitchy old men. Who will win? I'll lean towards the data nerds. They're not skewed by emotion.
Also, remember when teams actually became better through the season? In season team development isn't a novel idea. It hasn't happened since RMK, but it's still possible. We've become so conditioned by the inept coaching that we no longer even consider it happening.
That's because Coach Knight isn't on the sidelines
@gerdis I'm not applauding DeVries and the band of warriors he assembled as a team. These are the guys he selected. Back last summer I was skeptical the roster was capable of competing at a high level in the Big 10. Just looking at the situation as a supporter of IU basketball and sharing my comments on a discussion board. IU is obviously going to struggle greatly against the more physical and athletic teams of the Big 10. Getting into the NCAA tournament will earn from me a "highly pleased" based on the talent. What are my choices other than to throw in the towel and be pissed off for the next two months? I am as frustrated with Indiana basketball as anyone on the board. I experienced the three national champs of the Knight era the failures of the program that have followed and have spent many an hour in Assembly Hall over the years. I'm not making excuses for DeVries as I too will be disappointed if he does as poorly as Woodson did in his first year. Woodson's first team actually played in the NCAA tourney through the play-in game beating Wyoming. In that 2021-22 season Woodson was 21-14 and 9-11 in the conference which put them 9th in a league of 13 teams.
Its difficult to compare season vs season strictly on conference record now that the league has ballooned so much and the unbalanced schedules are wildly inconsistent.
That first Woodson season needed the miracle B1GT run to crawl into the tournament as a play-in game. KP/NET were both around 50ish heading into the tournament and the 2 Q1 wins dropped us to 38 NET and 40 KP before selection Sunday which let us squeek in. Of course, the 500 point loss to St. Mary's gave us a final KP of 48 on the year (Archie's last season was 50).
Obviously, nobody is going to be 'happy' with a play-in game this year (regardless of how we achieve it). Ideally we'd get in somewhat comfortably and win a game to build momentum heading to next year/portal season. I don't know if that will be enough to get the donors on board or not but its basically what Kelsey achieved in his first year which led to a nice jump this year.
Anything less and its hard to see how the staff climbs out of the hole unless they can find a few mega donors who buy in and give them what they need to completely transform the talent level.
The thing its not like Crean where you can just take three or four years to get your recruits in and everyone will patient. NIL changed all that. If he fails to make the tourney this year getting any sort real money to get the players he needs it going to be next to impossible. It will all go to football. Bailey is literally getting what Ballo did last year that is how much it went up in one year. And after the last 8 years getting mega donors to buy in will be very hard unless you start winning big.
which is why we should cut our losses at seasons end if we don't turn it around. Your first loss is your best loss
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