If IU isn’t prepared to spend big in the portal they might as well shut the program down because it would be clear they aren’t interested in winning a title. They got outbid repeatedly last year for good talent.
@ge-off I'm kind of on the same track with him. Especially since it sounds like he's going to be astronomically expensive. Notre Dame was REALLY bad this past year... spending half your entire budget on Burton and Haralson... while it sounds fun and exciting to get guys with their talent, and Indiana kids at that... the goal is building a winning basketball team... not sure it would be a wise approach.
The 20% on 3 pts scares me.
I see him as an indulgent addition...........if you were already good enough without him to get to the Elite 8 or FF, like a Duke or Kansas or Kentucky, and could afford to pay him and bend him to your will, he could put you over the top to win a NC. If you're counting on him to keep your job, you might think differently.
Agree 100%! I just do not think JH is about winning - more about himself -Maybe he has matured and is a great teammate and leader? Not worth 3-4mil to find out!@ge-off I'm kind of on the same track with him. Especially since it sounds like he's going to be astronomically expensive. Notre Dame was REALLY bad this past year... spending half your entire budget on Burton and Haralson... while it sounds fun and exciting to get guys with their talent, and Indiana kids at that... the goal is building a winning basketball team... not sure it would be a wise approach.
He is going to cost 4 million
Yes and probably close to $8M to get 2 B1G quality bigs which is a must. If a big donor wants to step up go for it. Otherwise probably too expensive.
Are any of woodson's big money buddies still around or did they all switch to football now?
@tjinman1987 Would rather break the bank on big guys personally - they are more difficult to find and land.
I agree....look at Illinois. Boswell...pg... When he was in the portal, he was 15-20 spots below Myles Rice. He hardly ever scores but gets the ball in the hands of the studs. Cadeau at Michigan has the same winning attitude.
If IU isn’t prepared to spend big in the portal they might as well shut the program down because it would be clear they aren’t interested in winning a title. They got outbid repeatedly last year for good talent.
Well last fall all these top guys we lost we were told was because we got outbid. That is the only way we are getting any of the top guys in the portal is to outbid the big boys . I highly doubt any top player will come to IU for the love of IU. It is all about show me the money in the portal period.
Agree 100%! I just do not think JH is about winning - more about himself -Maybe he has matured and is a great teammate and leader? Not worth 3-4mil to find out!@ge-off I'm kind of on the same track with him. Especially since it sounds like he's going to be astronomically expensive. Notre Dame was REALLY bad this past year... spending half your entire budget on Burton and Haralson... while it sounds fun and exciting to get guys with their talent, and Indiana kids at that... the goal is building a winning basketball team... not sure it would be a wise approach.
He is going to cost 4 million
Yes and probably close to $8M to get 2 B1G quality bigs which is a must. If a big donor wants to step up go for it. Otherwise probably too expensive.
You only get 22M per game from Fru for that $4M. Makes it really perilous to go with someone like Harris as the back-up. So........I might say get the best two bigs you can get for $2.5-3M each if $$ is an issue.
Y'all can certainly have differing opinions than me, that is totally fine. You might end up being right. But if you would not be satisfied with adding Burton or Haralson...there are not going to be any players in the portal that would excite you.
That is the thing about the portal. It's not "order a player to my specifications." You have to choose from who is there and there will be compromises.
If you find someone who can do a couple of things well and you need those things then that might be the best you can do and you take him and then look for complementary players.
@tjinman1987 that’s not true. And taking those two guys screams a Kentucky like, just add talent at all costs, type approach. They’re both ball dominant. Haralson might fit CDDs offensive style better than Burton does, but neither are ideal fits. Haralson has a bad rep as maybe not being the best teammate. And Burton is one of the more ball dominant guards in the country. And small, and not physical. He’ll score in the B10, but could be a liability in other areas.
It might cost 7-8 million bucks to get both those guys. There have to be A LOT of duos we could get for that money, or less, that I would be more excited about.
If I had to pick, I’d want Haralson. And I’d pair him with a PG that’s maybe more of a facilitator and/or just a guy that is comfortable deferring to others. Dixon from UNC maybe. Dixon, Wooley, Haralson would be an example of a good, physical, guard/wing core…and I’d substitute Haralson for Vaaks or someone like him, especially if Vaaks is less money. And use the extra money on bigs.
If you sign both Burton and Haralson, it’s a sign, to me, you’re really not thinking enough about building a cohesive team. Just adding talent from Indiana guys that would come for enough money.
Agree 100%! I just do not think JH is about winning - more about himself -Maybe he has matured and is a great teammate and leader? Not worth 3-4mil to find out!@ge-off I'm kind of on the same track with him. Especially since it sounds like he's going to be astronomically expensive. Notre Dame was REALLY bad this past year... spending half your entire budget on Burton and Haralson... while it sounds fun and exciting to get guys with their talent, and Indiana kids at that... the goal is building a winning basketball team... not sure it would be a wise approach.
He is going to cost 4 million
Yes and probably close to $8M to get 2 B1G quality bigs which is a must. If a big donor wants to step up go for it. Otherwise probably too expensive.
You only get 22M per game from Fru for that $4M. Makes it really perilous to go with someone like Harris as the back-up. So........I might say get the best two bigs you can get for $2.5-3M each if $$ is an issue.
I've got a new favorite big if Fru is too expensive....Oswinn Erhunmwunse from Providence just announced he's going to transfer...Per every 40M (he averaged 25M/game), he averaged 11.1 pts/13.3 rebounds/3.4 BSs, shot .673 on 2s. Only .525 for FTs tho. 6-10 230lbs.
I vehemently disagree with anyone saying that Jalen Haralson is a "me first" guy or not about winning. Jalen Haralson is a really, really good basketball player and if IU landed him, I would be near certain we'd be very, very happy with the results.
There are logical arguments to spending huge money on big guys instead of guards. It's a choice IU could be faced with. Recruitment in the portal only begins when there is interest from the prospective player and from the school. Once there is that, things like fit and connections and money come into play and both parties decide where things go from there. If Jalen Haralson is interested, I think IU should do what they can to bring him onboard and then build the roster around his considerable talents. I would so much rather pay Haralson $4 mil than give it to Fru or Cyril or any other big guy even rumored to be in the market. We'll see how it plays out soon.
@iunorth I would take Haralson. I don’t know enough about what it would take to get him or the limits of IU’s budget. As long as he understands coming in that he is going to get coached hard and that he has to play within the system, he could really succeed under DeVries. He is different than Lamar, but you can certainly show him Lamar game film to see how much freedom Lamar had within the offensive structure. And from what I’ve seen of him - he sees the court well and is a good passer. And he had a high assist rate in hs.
Not saying that anyone implied this - but I’m not assuming anything selfish or negative about leaving that ND mess. Freshmen with his talent often take a big jump in their second year.
@tjinman1987 I wont be “mad” if IU gets Haralson. He’s obviously supremely talented. But you may disagree that he’s not about winning…but his track record shows his teams haven’t really won a ton, despite his obvious talents. The obvious questions come from why Fishers exploded as one of the dominant HS programs, after he left. I think it’s more coincidence, in that regard, than anything. But would have Kirby, Zachary, Gardner, etc… been as impactful or good with Haralson dominating the ball most possessions??
In the end though, you’re probably right. He’s in the portal now, or plans to be. If he shows serious interest in IU early on. There would be a lot of benefit to locking him up early. Hes a big enough name that it might build some momentum. And he is an All B10 level, versatile, wing.
If there were a potential comparison though between getting Haralson, and getting Dixon and Wooley…I’d take the lesser heralded guards of that caliber and style, and spend huge on a big. Just as an example…
But my large point was in Haralson AND Burton. You can’t really “build” around either of those guys while the other is on the same team. At least not effectively.
Paying 10-12 mid-level players didn't work this season, so why not go for high-level guys? Sure, that would cut into the budget, but go big or go home. Moreover, if other top talent sees IU is a serious player in the Portal market, maybe it would have a positive effect in this cycle (and in the future).
I don't know about JH, specifically, but DD should attempt to break the bank on a stud PG and two-way C.
Paying 10-12 mid-level players didn't work this season, so why not go for high-level guys? Sure, that would cut into the budget, but go big or go home. Moreover, if other top talent sees IU is a serious player in the Portal market, maybe it would have a positive effect in this cycle (and in the future).
I don't know about JH, specifically, but DD should attempt to break the bank on a stud PG and two-way C.
If we do go all out paying top guys and still cannot win at last we can say we tried that route just like we did with Woodson. Clearly what he did last portal did not work.
Agree 100%! I just do not think JH is about winning - more about himself -Maybe he has matured and is a great teammate and leader? Not worth 3-4mil to find out!@ge-off I'm kind of on the same track with him. Especially since it sounds like he's going to be astronomically expensive. Notre Dame was REALLY bad this past year... spending half your entire budget on Burton and Haralson... while it sounds fun and exciting to get guys with their talent, and Indiana kids at that... the goal is building a winning basketball team... not sure it would be a wise approach.
He is going to cost 4 million
Yes and probably close to $8M to get 2 B1G quality bigs which is a must. If a big donor wants to step up go for it. Otherwise probably too expensive.
Are any of woodson's big money buddies still around or did they all switch to football now?
They donate to the Sacramento Kings now.
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