which games do you think Tucker has played exceptionally well in. Don't tell me Marquette. Look past the stat lines. Marquette is terrible
But why is it so much harder to win on the road in the Big Ten vs the ACC or SEC? The stats say it has been for decades.
Style of play and the officiating of the B1G. The B1G calls the least amount of fouls of the major conferences, this leads to even more mugging and fouling without repercussions (up until the refs inevitably start calling ticky tacks on 1 team to even things out disrupting games). I did research on this a few years ago on the old site.
Why? My hypothesis has been that the B1G values getting as many teams into the dance as possible for ratings/revenue Vs catering to the top of the league like other conferences tend to do. The B1G has often been one of the top bid getters with a ton of middling teams with low seeds that get bounced early. Allowing all the holding and mugging enables home teams to pull off more upsets vs superior talent.
But why is it so much harder to win on the road in the Big Ten vs the ACC or SEC? The stats say it has been for decades.
Style of play and the officiating of the B1G. The B1G calls the least amount of fouls of the major conferences, this leads to even more mugging and fouling without repercussions (up until the refs inevitably start calling ticky tacks on 1 team to even things out disrupting games). I did research on this a few years ago on the old site.
Why? My hypothesis has been that the B1G values getting as many teams into the dance as possible for ratings/revenue Vs catering to the top of the league like other conferences tend to do. The B1G has often been one of the top bid getters with a ton of middling teams with low seeds that get bounced early. Allowing all the holding and mugging enables home teams to pull off more upsets vs superior talent.
I agree with your assessment and I remember your comments from the old board about it. You'd think they would learn by now that this philosophy isn't helping. No Big Ten champion since 2000. Sounds like a great model
@hoosiers94 Marquette, Louisville, Kansas State, Kentucky... he was either really good, or pretty good in all those games. So in both the games against NCAA tournament caliber teams, he was good.
What teams do you think they're not talented enough to be competitive against? Just so we have something to refer to, going forward? I think just using all B10 and high major teams should be sufficient. But if you want to raise the bar and include only top 15 level teams, to prove your point... go ahead. But lets get them established.
@hoosiers94 Marquette, Louisville, Kansas State, Kentucky... he was either really good, or pretty good in all those games. So in both the games against NCAA tournament caliber teams, he was good.
What teams do you think they're not talented enough to be competitive against? Just so we have something to refer to, going forward? I think just using all B10 and high major teams should be sufficient. But if you want to raise the bar and include only top 15 level teams, to prove your point... go ahead. But lets get them established.
well I'll try this again typed it all out once and it got erased somehow.
Kentucky : he was present and played well for 2/3 of the first half until his ill advised 3/4 court chuck shot he then disappeared the rest of the game. Why because Kentucky turned up the defensive pressure. And he's too slow to compete.
Louisville: we didn't score the 1st 8 minutes of the game so .. minutes 12-9 he asserted himself and was effective Then he disappeared again until the beginning of 2nd half for the first 2 minutes the disappears again for over 5 minutes after that it's garbage time the game was not In question and Louisville was in cruise control
Marquette: won't dignify with an explanation they are terrible pretty sure Incarnate Word could beat them
KState: best overall game if you want to call it that but he fed the hot hand because the speed of that game was too much for him he still doesn't score until 5 minutes into the 2nd half.
Time his cuts , time his movements , time his release, it's a fraction too slow which makes all the difference from top tier division 1 and pretenders ... he looks good against mid major teams and poor power 4 teams... great if you're a role player , not if you're our leader and number 1-2 option
there are many more dynamics I could point out about his flaws and mostly lack of speed/quickness He has to have flawless footwork , flawless cuts not only the placement of those cuts but the timing of the cuts in order for him to be effective his IQ at times is great but it's inconsistent with poor decision making to boot Almost with a sense of panic at times Bailey, Connerway and Wilkerson have the same problem because the speed of the game is just that much quicker than what they are equipped for ..
those aren't great performances
This isn't because I want them to do poorly or that I won't cheer for them..: but seeing the obvious flaws and extrapolating that out it doesn't add up to enough wins
what does "competitive" mean to you ? To me it's about where it ultimately takes me... and not that I kept the score under a 10 point loss It's whether I win or not or rather do I even have a chance to win
we have play perfect to beat teams like that and that's a lot to ask
I don't see us finishing higher than 9th in conference and with the record I for see don't think that gets us in No way we finish ahead of Purdue, Michigan, MSU, Iowa, Illinois ,Nebraska
the 2nd tier of USC , UCLA, Wisconsin Ohio st and yes even Minnesota(because of the loss there ) are question marks
After tonites game we could easily go 1-7 over the next 8 games , you say that's highly unlikely , perhaps but it isn't impossible and that's not just the low probability type of impossible. I'd say there is a 30-40 percent chance of that
we don't likely beat anyone in the top 25 probability wise
We are 8/9 on acc at best , 9/10 in big 12 at best , 6/7 in big east which isn't an achievement, 10/11 in Sec , and we won't get into the other smaller conferences as you requested
why is that you answer posts like your ChatGPT of the board You're one opinion amongst many you're not the judge and the jury here Unless you're coach k in disguise you might want to temper you're judgement.. I don't care what division 3 school you played at::: get in line bro I could have played Division 3 ball too but I played Division 1 soccer for IU... and I still don't have all the answers for you in soccer and I certainly don't have the only opinion
you're assumptions are lazy
I can break down the film just as well a you can What i see is a pure lack of talent that doesn't measure up to our conference foes You can't argue with foot speed or strength U can argue with desire and will power but that only gets us so far Which is likely the NIT
"I just want to be competitive " is a statement made by those who like to finish in 2nd place
One of the better moves DD could make is to start starting Sisley ... thick or thin
Michigan and Iowa destroyed Maryland. If IU really is a tourney team this is a game they no way should lose or really it should not even be within 10 points.
@hoosiers94 basically every single player that’s ever played the game has ebbs and flows within games. And per my original point, our three main guys are adapting to new roles, so stands to reason they might have an increased chance at ebbs and flows of production.
Ive acknowledged, multiple times now, that none of those 3 are elite enough to carry a team on their own, at the high major level…like they have their entire lives before IU.
Tayton and Lamar are not at a physical disadvantage against 99% of really any college guards. Really dumb argument. Tucker, obviously, is slower than a lot of college level wings. But he’s a good shooter, he’s crafty, he’s usually very good with footwork and body position. End result, 2000 division 1 points…and averaging whatever I showed him to be averaging against high major teams this year. Put his stats against high major teams from previous years, and I’m sure the numbers get better.
All 3 of their challenges, right now, are continuing to get on the same page with each other, trusting each other to also make plays, and yes, continuing to adjust to the size and speed of high major ball. It’s a step up, none of them are Anthony Edwards type athletes…it’ll be a process for all 3 of them. But they’re handling it pretty well.
Youre making blanket comments that they can’t do that compete…they’ve already proven they can, for Gods sake. And in the face of actual evidence they have and can, you start cherry picking stretches within games where they haven’t. No shit Sherlock…even Steph Curry has bursts and lulls within games.
I dont have any idea if I know more about bball than you, just because I played ball and you didn’t. It’s your posts that are giving me that indication.
They’re not conference player of the year level players, I don’t think, at IU. Lamar might challenge that…but I don’t think any of them will, ultimately. But there’s a pretty huge difference between that, and how you’re categorizing them. They’re very, very good. They’re leading a top 30 KenPom team, without any effective size to help and protect them. With Conor Enright as the only other ball handler to help them. Id say they’re acclimating fairly well to the step up in competition level. They’ll need guys like Bailey, Alexis, Enright, Sisley to play well to beat the really good teams on our schedule. Duh…what team in America is gonna beat Michigan or Purdue with just 3 guys playing well?
And to venture outside factual things like stats. It was 100% Tuckers increase in aggressiveness and physicality, that got IU back in that LVille game. He essentially took the middle part of that game over…and there won’t be many more athletic teams we’ll play than them. It must have been a miracle that he overcame all his limitations to be so effective in that game. And with how physical that game got, and with how close IU got in the 2nd half…LVille wasn’t coasting. He also basically dominated a handful of elite teams early in his WVU year, before getting hurt. Evidence, actual tape and stats, that prove you’re wrong.
Having said all this…some of the content of your last post I actually agree with. Tucker does have to be technically more sound on cuts and footwork, as an example. It just doesn’t lead me to “they’re not good enough to compete”. And the margin between 4th place and 12th place, this year and most years, isn’t big enough for me to make the call that these guys “can’t” compete with those levels of teams or players. We beat PSU by a million. MSU and Michigan struggled with them, Michigan without PSUs best player playing. Can I make the conclusion that IU is better than those teams because of that? Of course not. Just like you can’t that our top 3 can’t compete with them, because is a lull or two in games early in the year against LVille and Kentucky.
@hoosiers94 basically every single player that’s ever played the game has ebbs and flows within games. And per my original point, our three main guys are adapting to new roles, so stands to reason they might have an increased chance at ebbs and flows of production.
Ive acknowledged, multiple times now, that none of those 3 are elite enough to carry a team on their own, at the high major level…like they have their entire lives before IU.
Tayton and Lamar are not at a physical disadvantage against 99% of really any college guards. Really dumb argument. Tucker, obviously, is slower than a lot of college level wings. But he’s a good shooter, he’s crafty, he’s usually very good with footwork and body position. End result, 2000 division 1 points…and averaging whatever I showed him to be averaging against high major teams this year. Put his stats against high major teams from previous years, and I’m sure the numbers get better.
All 3 of their challenges, right now, are continuing to get on the same page with each other, trusting each other to also make plays, and yes, continuing to adjust to the size and speed of high major ball. It’s a step up, none of them are Anthony Edwards type athletes…it’ll be a process for all 3 of them. But they’re handling it pretty well.
Youre making blanket comments that they can’t do that compete…they’ve already proven they can, for Gods sake. And in the face of actual evidence they have and can, you start cherry picking stretches within games where they haven’t. No shit Sherlock…even Steph Curry has bursts and lulls within games.
I dont have any idea if I know more about bball than you, just because I played ball and you didn’t. It’s your posts that are giving me that indication.
They’re not conference player of the year level players, I don’t think, at IU. Lamar might challenge that…but I don’t think any of them will, ultimately. But there’s a pretty huge difference between that, and how you’re categorizing them. They’re very, very good. They’re leading a top 30 KenPom team, without any effective size to help and protect them. With Conor Enright as the only other ball handler to help them. Id say they’re acclimating fairly well to the step up in competition level. They’ll need guys like Bailey, Alexis, Enright, Sisley to play well to beat the really good teams on our schedule. Duh…what team in America is gonna beat Michigan or Purdue with just 3 guys playing well?
And to venture outside factual things like stats. It was 100% Tuckers increase in aggressiveness and physicality, that got IU back in that LVille game. He essentially took the middle part of that game over…and there won’t be many more athletic teams we’ll play than them. It must have been a miracle that he overcame all his limitations to be so effective in that game. And with how physical that game got, and with how close IU got in the 2nd half…LVille wasn’t coasting. He also basically dominated a handful of elite teams early in his WVU year, before getting hurt. Evidence, actual tape and stats, that prove you’re wrong.
Having said all this…some of the content of your last post I actually agree with. Tucker does have to be technically more sound on cuts and footwork, as an example. It just doesn’t lead me to “they’re not good enough to compete”. And the margin between 4th place and 12th place, this year and most years, isn’t big enough for me to make the call that these guys “can’t” compete with those levels of teams or players. We beat PSU by a million. MSU and Michigan struggled with them, Michigan without PSUs best player playing. Can I make the conclusion that IU is better than those teams because of that? Of course not. Just like you can’t that our top 3 can’t compete with them, because is a lull or two in games early in the year against LVille and Kentucky.
completely agree to disagree with you. U see what you want to see. As far as your condescending attitude as if you are the only person who has governance of what is actual and legit and what isn't. Who do you think you are. Hard to be humble when you think you're perfect. Shine that bitch up.
@hoosiers94 what are you babbling about?
Tucker is averaging 15-5-4, for a top 30 team.
Wilkerson is averaging 19-3-3.
Conerway is averaging 13-3-4.
They’re all fine. They just aren’t nearly as capable of dominating games like they were at their smaller schools before. Doesn’t mean they aren’t good high major players. They just need to keep adapting and play within the confines of CDDs VERY effective offensive system. When they all are moving the ball, and cutting and screening, our offense is dominant. Partly because CDDs system is so good when ran well. But also because those 3 are really, really good college basketball players.
you keep living in that dream world you're in. We are champs of the Sienas and Bethunes. Only problem is we are in the Big Ten. And you once again just reinforced my point. They are no longer Alphas. Just in their own heads maybe. Alphas besides the psychological, produce. Look at Tucker and Lamar's game logs against teams outside of the cupcakes. And we've only played 2/3 decent teams so far , and before you mention. Oh but Tucker had 27 against Louisville. Rewatch the game.
they are no more than role players on a Big Ten team yet we have to call them our studs. Sorry not buying it. DD offense is theoretically a current system. But you act as though no one else runs it. And hence no one else can defend it. Again sorry that dog don't hunt. Our horses aren't thoroughbreds but we will start to play against some. Maybe that will shed more light on it for u.
so as you "babble" on here as you do as some sort of "expert" compared to the rest of us with your "wordy" posts the rest of us will live in reality.As you so eloquently stated, it's lazy to not truly examine and evaluate the talent and how it's performed on a game by game basis and taking into consideration the opponent. When you do that the reality is glaring. Come out on the AAU circuit with me. I'll show you talent vs pretenders. Indiana basketball talent vs Ball St talent.
@hoosiers94 cool. Keep spouting dumb, overly negative stuff, without any real facts or substance to back it up…and I’m gonna be here to keep things balanced.
when we suck, I’ll also be on here pissed and venting about why I think we sucked. When we’re good, I hope to be on here excited and praising the reasons why we were good.
The actual truth is, the 3 guys in question are very good college basketball players. We’re lucky to have them. They’re just not all Americans…and they don’t have a ton of reliable guys to help them consistently. So, we’ll be up and down. The downs might end up being partly because one or more of these 3 don’t do something well. Like Lamar not having any assists in 2 of our losses. But it hasn’t yet been because they’re not talented or good enough to compete at certain levels of college ball. And I doubt it ever will be.
you keep bringing up their performance at a mid major. Yep they were very good mid major player. About 1700 of those 2000 were at a mid major .. never took that away. Would a lot of high major coaches want him in their team. Yep. As a role player. Not the no 1 or 2. That point is mute. Their talent doesn't translate to a high level team with results. That's what makes me realize you don't know what you're talking about ...
@hoosiers94 cool. Keep spouting dumb, overly negative stuff, without any real facts or substance to back it up…and I’m gonna be here to keep things balanced.
when we suck, I’ll also be on here pissed and venting about why I think we sucked. When we’re good, I hope to be on here excited and praising the reasons why we were good.
The actual truth is, the 3 guys in question are very good college basketball players. We’re lucky to have them. They’re just not all Americans…and they don’t have a ton of reliable guys to help them consistently. So, we’ll be up and down. The downs might end up being partly because one or more of these 3 don’t do something well. Like Lamar not having any assists in 2 of our losses. But it hasn’t yet been because they’re not talented or good enough to compete at certain levels of college ball. And I doubt it ever will be.
you're gonna be here to keep it balanced. What are you the Hoosier huddle police. No one better post anything you don't approve of ... or else
@hoosiers94 cool. Keep spouting dumb, overly negative stuff, without any real facts or substance to back it up…and I’m gonna be here to keep things balanced.
when we suck, I’ll also be on here pissed and venting about why I think we sucked. When we’re good, I hope to be on here excited and praising the reasons why we were good.
The actual truth is, the 3 guys in question are very good college basketball players. We’re lucky to have them. They’re just not all Americans…and they don’t have a ton of reliable guys to help them consistently. So, we’ll be up and down. The downs might end up being partly because one or more of these 3 don’t do something well. Like Lamar not having any assists in 2 of our losses. But it hasn’t yet been because they’re not talented or good enough to compete at certain levels of college ball. And I doubt it ever will be.
you're gonna be here to keep it balanced. What are you the Hoosier huddle police. No one better post anything you don't approve of ... or else
Gotta win tonight and beat Nebraska. Very doable.
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