Football had no culture. It was a blank slate. There were no boosters meddling. Cignetti is a unicorn. No one else in the country could do what he did.
Yeah, I suspect the boosters are key. They weren’t meddling in FB. And, now FB has their attention but because of the unicorn they would be idiots to meddle.
Really not much good to say, right now. I guess with a little over 11 minutes to go, we were tied with MSU, at Breslin. But it didnt really feel like we were in it, even then. And then the downside of the effort and focus consistency issues hit, and….yeah.
Gotta get Saturdays game. Tonight was the first game I saw some “mail it in” type attitudes. That ain’t good if that continues.
Haven't seen "mail it in" like a Woody team, but have seen significant "give up' when the going gets tough. And the 17-0 runs are straight out of the Woody playbook.
What drives me crazy is that the HC can't or won't control Tucker when it comes to his horrendous shot selection. I'd be disappointed with a CYO coach having the same issue. It's insane to me that Tucker's played for his Dad so many years and this is what we see. The same applies, to a lesser extent, to Wilkerson, who I think would have the ability to be a special player with better coaching.
I recall Coach McDermitt commenting to the effect that DD was the most competitive assistant he had ever been around. Wtf was he talking about?
@iugradman he gets next year and if the roster isn’t good again and he can’t cut it, then it’s time to move on. I get your sentiments and frustration. Just don’t see outside of a scandal how it can be one and done.
Agree he will get a chance to repair his roster. If next season is bad, seat will be hot. Cignetti did prove you can be successful immediately, but he's also a much more experienced coach. He worked with Saban at Alabama, he knows what kind of players he needs to play high level football
I just dont think most people even care much anymore. The games are no longer sold out. You needed a hire to bring back the excitement and DD was not it or even close. So then you have to win and it basically just seems like archie 2.0. Sure we may beat iowa but then we will lose at Michigan. He better kill it next year or I think iu hoops is off life support
@iugradman he gets next year and if the roster isn’t good again and he can’t cut it, then it’s time to move on. I get your sentiments and frustration. Just don’t see outside of a scandal how it can be one and done.
Agree he will get a chance to repair his roster. If next season is bad, seat will be hot. Cignetti did prove you can be successful immediately, but he's also a much more experienced coach. He worked with Saban at Alabama, he knows what kind of players he needs to play high level football
I just dont think most people even care much anymore. The games are no longer sold out. You needed a hire to bring back the excitement and DD was not it or even close. So then you have to win and it basically just seems like archie 2.0. Sure we may beat iowa but then we will lose at Michigan. He better kill it next year or I think iu hoops is off life support
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I wonder what the hell is going on with Acimovic, Ristic, Harris & Drake. Is Acimovic on the bench? Does he have an injury? Are there complications with the injuries to the other 3? Are they traveling with the team? Is Ristic dressed to play?
Really not much good to say, right now. I guess with a little over 11 minutes to go, we were tied with MSU, at Breslin. But it didnt really feel like we were in it, even then. And then the downside of the effort and focus consistency issues hit, and….yeah.
Gotta get Saturdays game. Tonight was the first game I saw some “mail it in” type attitudes. That ain’t good if that continues.
I'm shocked by how bad Tucker is. He's just not good. That's a devastating development given the makeup of this team - and something that may have always been given he never had to play high major competition night in and night out (he didn't play the conference schedule last year at West Virginia). Back when we were discussing DePaul's roster makeup of a season ago, you'd made an interesting point: we've gotten two mid-major conference players of the year as opposed to what DePaul getting mid-major players who had nice seasons for their respective teams. I think it's fair to wonder right now if even a mid-major conference player of the year can make a huge difference without being able to play off of high major talent/athleticism around him. Wilkerson has been good, but right now he's just the guy who's scoring the points for what, at this point in time, is an average team (in other words - someone has to score).
It's hard to tell. The roster is lacking, something we all knew but were hoping wouldn't rear its ugly head as much as it has already. I'm wondering if the money was really there amidst reports of some of the big boosters not being on board with the Woodson firing. Thinking back, the burners were pretty confident in us getting a lot of big names we were associated with. None came to fruition. Were they really there for the taking or did DeVries fumble them?
I'm struggling with whether DeVries had to put together this team on the run (and why) and had to take what he could get or if he (mistakenly) thought this was a legitimate roster. I don't think anybody here knows - and it's that uncertainty that's making me nervous for the future... the bane of merely being a fan...
No matter how much I know (knew) this would likely be a 17-14 (9-2, 8-12) season it's still hard to go through the ups and downs as it unfolds.
@seyton We brought this up in our group text last night...is Tucker hurt? He looks out of shape, which would make sense if he can't or is limited in practice and workouts.
As far as CDD goes. It's really tough to judge on one season and I know this will be seen as an excuse, but I want to see what next year looks like before pulling the plug or putting him on the hot seat.
I think you are correct in that there has to be some hurt feelings or bruised egos with Woodson being fired that is effecting funding. I also believe IU is at a huge disadvantage with Assembly Hall (ducks for coverage). While SSAH is a historic venue and there have been so many great moments there, it's old and not designed to maximize revenue. All of these more modern areas have suites and other amenities to bring in big bucks.
This is not a single issue problem with IUBB. I believe that it's a blessing that IUFB is 15-0 and has all the attention, but there is real apathy happening in the fan base. Crowd size, traffic on the boards (not just ours) and lack of outbursts on social media all point to a checked out fan base.
@thehoosierhuddle no doubt I need to wait to see what things look like next year. Like the saying goes: waiting is the hardest part.
I don’t understand why Woodson’s dismissal led to hurt feelings and bruised egos among donors. He was an objectively mediocre coach who never lost fewer than 12 games in a season while he was here. One would think donors would want to win but not every school has ambitious ones like Cody Campbell.
It’s a shame that two alums in Woodson and Buckner pulled the plug on the program.
I don’t understand why Woodson’s dismissal led to hurt feelings and bruised egos among donors. He was an objectively mediocre coach who never lost fewer than 12 games in a season while he was here. One would think donors would want to win but not every school has ambitious ones like Cody Campbell.
Probably because Woodson thought (and stated multiple times) that he was doing an outstanding job here and there should be 'no questions' about the job he's doing. He felt he was wrongly pushed out and him and QB almost certainly told their buddies the same thing. There were almost certainly some donors who are fringe BB fans at best that they were fleecing that wouldn't know if we were good or not. All of the old cronie network came out in support when Bigfoot told them to acting like he was doing amazing things as coach.
@surjay His win-loss record was objectively bad and his teams weren’t qualifying for the NCAA tournament. How could he think he was doing a great job?
He's a narcissist who thinks he's an elite coach. Any shortcomings were out of his control and the players faults. He stated such multiple times "its not my job to Kopp shots". "I can't shoot free throws for them".
"i've done my job". "there should be NO questions about the job I've done here"
He also threw a tantrum in Dolson's office saying he'll coach as long as he wants and leave when he wants to.
He's a mediocre coach who just wanted to show up for parties and the accolades, he was never serious about winning nor did he understand how to do such.
@iugradman because those donors were probably given ungodly access to the program and decision making and that changed.
I don’t understand why Woodson’s dismissal led to hurt feelings and bruised egos among donors. He was an objectively mediocre coach who never lost fewer than 12 games in a season while he was here. One would think donors would want to win but not every school has ambitious ones like Cody Campbell.
It’s a shame that two alums in Woodson and Buckner pulled the plug on the program.
Go read the Wikipedia entry for Mike Woodson, specifically the section about coaching Indiana. If you didn't know any better you'd come away with quite a different impression than what most of us here have.
Donors may have a lot of motivations other than winning. Donations buy things, like your name on a building or access to people or favors from them or visibility among peers. Maybe some of those donors felt that they didn't get what they were promised, whatever that might have been for whatever reason. The motiviations of millionaires and billionaires can seem strange to us common folk but one thing is almost certainly true: six or seven figure donations don't come without conditions and expectations.
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