To mean a lot to both teams.
Man, I hope not. If IU can get to 10 Big Ten wins before that it’d be great. We’ll see though. A bunch of games left.
Just seeing as of now on Fox sports they have us as a 10 seed and them in last four out. Too close for comfort. I'd feel a lot better is we get 4 more wins before that game. I know 3 may do it but I'd rather get the 4.
Ten wins doesn't guarantee anything, so it's likely the OSU game will have massive implications for both, as @hoosiers94 said. Hell, it could be a de facto elimination game (BTT results depending).Man, I hope not. If IU can get to 10 Big Ten wins before that it’d be great. We’ll see though. A bunch of games left.
@gthomas it could be. I think 10 will put IU on the right side of the bubble especially if you get one in the BTT, but 11-9 will basically gets IU in. It’d be nice to have 10 going into that game.
Note to readers: I'm playing Devil's Advocate here, so don't come at me...@gthomas it could be. I think 10 will put IU on the right side of the bubble especially if you get one in the BTT, but 11-9 will basically gets IU in. It’d be nice to have 10 going into that game.
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Don't discount the BTT. If IU finishes 11-9, we all agree they're in. But let's say the Hoosiers finish 10-10 and get handled in the 1st Round. If that occurs, the First Four might be best-case scenario.
Moreover, forget about Quad wins for a second and consider this: IU is 1-5 against teams currently in the Top 25. ONE freaking ranked win ... and it's almost mid-February.
I'm not saying a bid won't happen--I hope it does--but I think some have potentially been lulled into a false sense of security based on IU's NET. If the Hoosiers finish 10-10, including 1-8 against ranked opponents, that puts a ton of weight on the first game of the BTT (as noted above).
Lastly, let's not forget the NCAA Tournament Commitee has the collective IQ of a donut ... so the goal is to keep the decision out of their hands. Nothing is worse than being at the mercy of a room full of clowns.
We have West Virginia being left out last year going for us. If we are on the bubble and they leave us out they would look like they just hate DeVries. 😉
Wasn’t it last yr or so that the selection committee said the big ten tourney didn’t play into the seedlings? Remember the Illinois and Michigan win in B10 tourney definitely came into play
You very well could be right. I think for that game to be any sort of "play in" type of game, we'll need to only have 9 wins, and they have improved their metrics a fair bit. I think us losing 2 out of our 3 home games is unlikely, at this point. And I think if we beat NW and Minny at home, and lose to Illinois, Purdue, and MSU... our resume will be good enough that a loss to OSU wouldn't bump us out. A bad loss to OSU, and then a loss in our first BTT game... maybe... if there are a lot of bid stealers, and the bubble gets shrunk a fair bit. But I think 10 wins gets us in, pretty much no matter the scenario.
The flip side of all this... watching all the other teams playing right now... Illinois losing to Wisconsin, Purdue nearly losing to Nebraska and Oregon... has IU's play of late pushed them up to being competitive with everyone in the conference, not named Michigan? Not saying we'll beat Illinois or Purdue, but we sure seem to be capable. And we're probably capable of running the table in all the other games. More likely to do that, than to lose more than 2 of them, in my opinion.
Note to readers: I'm playing Devil's Advocate here, so don't come at me...@gthomas it could be. I think 10 will put IU on the right side of the bubble especially if you get one in the BTT, but 11-9 will basically gets IU in. It’d be nice to have 10 going into that game.
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Don't discount the BTT. If IU finishes 11-9, we all agree they're in. But let's say the Hoosiers finish 10-10 and get handled in the 1st Round. If that occurs, the First Four might be best-case scenario.
Moreover, forget about Quad wins for a second and consider this: IU is 1-5 against teams currently in the Top 25. ONE freaking ranked win ... and it's almost mid-February.
I'm not saying a bid won't happen--I hope it does--but I think some have potentially been lulled into a false sense of security based on IU's NET. If the Hoosiers finish 10-10, including 1-8 against ranked opponents, that puts a ton of weight on the first game of the BTT (as noted above).
Lastly, let's not forget the NCAA Tournament Commitee has the collective IQ of a donut ... so the goal is to keep the decision out of their hands. Nothing is worse than being at the mercy of a room full of clowns.
Its not just IU's net, its all their metrics. You also aren't pulling up the teams that you think are jumping over them. If you think IU's resume is lacking, then I think you'll be mighty surprised when you look at the other bubble teams. Their resume's are worse and have less quality wins and/or worse losses.
You are correct; I haven't looked at other bubble teams. I just can't see 20-13, 10-10 (with a 1st Round BTT loss) being a lock. I'm sorry, but no team has a claim to anything if they can't finish above .500 in conference play ... and have only one ranked win. Moreover, when a team's primary selling point is "we have no bad losses," nothing is guaranteed. That's Bigfoot territory right there.Its not just IU's net, its all their metrics. You also aren't pulling up the teams that you think are jumping over them. If you think IU's resume is lacking, then I think you'll be mighty surprised when you look at the other bubble teams. Their resume's are worse and have less quality wins and/or worse losses.
But you're probably right that such a record would earn IU a bid in a watered-down season such as this.
You are correct; I haven't looked at other bubble teams. I just can't see 20-13, 10-10 (with a 1st Round BTT loss) being a lock. I'm sorry, but no team has a claim to anything if they can't finish above .500 in conference play ... and have only one ranked win. Moreover, when a team's primary selling point is "we have no bad losses," nothing is guaranteed. That's Bigfoot territory right there.Its not just IU's net, its all their metrics. You also aren't pulling up the teams that you think are jumping over them. If you think IU's resume is lacking, then I think you'll be mighty surprised when you look at the other bubble teams. Their resume's are worse and have less quality wins and/or worse losses.
But you're probably right that such a record would earn IU a bid in a watered-down season such as this.
I'm mainly just saying that conference record, in and of itself, is completely irrelevant. Even more so today. The unbalanced schedules of the mega conferences are very broad. Record/placement in your conference just doesn't matter.
The B1G has put in several teams with losing conference records into the tournament, including Bigfoot's first year.
So, 10-10, etc just isn't really the benchmark. We could lose both road games by 30 and squeek by all home guys by 1 and our numbers probably won't look as good. Hold course and the numbers are just too solid to keep us out and the other teams we're competing against just do not have better resumes.
If the NET, KP, T-Rank etc all stick to around 30 it would take something unprecedented to keep us out. Like every other conference tournament having a bottom-feeder bid stealer winning or something.
Fair point, but 1-8 vs. Top 25 could be--and should be--a fly in the ointment if it plays out that way.So, 10-10, etc just isn't really the benchmark.
I just can't see 20-13, 10-10 (with a 1st Round BTT loss)
Math ain't mathin'...
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@surjay I miss the days when the Big Ten was ten teams and you played everyone home and home and the conference champion was based on that. Sure you could get ties but at least everyone was ranked on an objective basis.
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