no I'm not at all. When I started this thread I had no idea he was hurt. My point focused around Mendoza. Which was a hypothetical
@hoosiers94 Yes, but your focus has clearly shifted to Daley.
You've made your point. Why not dial back a bit until IU's season ends, when all of this is no longer speculation.
Daley may play. He may not. If he doesn't, it's a huge loss but we can win without him.
because it was a very tangible example. It does definitely affect us negatively , how negative TBD. Do I think it lessens our chances. Not greatly. But Mendoza or Sarrat or Evans or Fisher. That surely would have
what everyone is doing here is making it about IU. I'm referring this to college football as a whole. Turn it to the SEC game... made no difference... both teams got in. Waste of time. The bigger issue here is that Miami, Oklahoma, Oregon, Ole Miss, Texas A and M didn't have to play in one of these games and they still are in the playoff. They still shared in the revenue and had no worry about an injury. Have an extra week of rest and/or practice/prep.
this isn't about IU and our incredible first time accomplishments. I'm sure Georgia celebrated their win but I'm sure they are a lot less geeked up about it than we are about ours being it a program first. Believe I love the result just as much as anyone but looking at this objectively it doesn't substitute for a National Title.
It's an extra game and there's always risk, but unless there are major changes and inventory gets replaced this game is not going anywhere. Also, it's football, people get hurt.
I agree with you that there is, especially for a program on the rise like IU, a level of prestige and pride that comes along with winning the B1G CCG and the trappings of what that meant (the first B1G CCG title, first undefeated B1G champs, first time ranked #1, potential for a program first Heisman for Mendoza)...not to mention what all that could mean for recruiting/portal/NIL growth down the road. It's big for us, and in no uncertain terms means alot.
I could be wrong but I have to wonder if what has the OP tilting at windmills over CCGs is the CFP's somewhat arbitrary and inconsistent application of their "rules" in regards how much or little to value W's and L's in CCGs that left the Irish at home. I don't have any real insight into that, but if I had to guess it's likely borne of lingering RJS (Reversible Jacket Syndrome) which is a helluva habit for some to kick.
If I had any advice I would tell him to kick back, relax and have a Cig.
Oh and if we happen to win it all, should change that to Cignatti...
A good friend will bail you out of jail, but your best friend will be sitting next to you in the cell saying "that was f***ing awesome"
What if Mendoza had been injured and out for the season because of that game while Oregon sits at home and benefits from our loss. No one has addressed this point. I get the ratings and the money but it doesn't mean it makes sense ... I for one could care less about winning the conference championship game. The national title is all that matters.
On Saturday night, you didn't celebrate? Cry? Scream?
I don't really care to live in a world where only a national title matters.
Bingo.
College football has never, ever been only about the national title. It's a hyper regional sport that is about rivalries, conference titles and beating teams you've played for 100+ years. Losing in the Playoff takes nothing away from what IU has done this year, nothing.
Quite frankly @hoosiers94 the culture shift to it's natty or bust is terrible for the sport and sports in general. IU won something it hadn't won since 1968 and beat Ohio State for the first time since 1988, if you can't cheer or care about that, maybe this is not the sport for you.
First of all, I never said I didn't enjoy Saturday's victory. Or that I wasn't proud of our team. Never ... my OP was that the conference championship games are unnecessary. I didn't cry though, Jesus it's just a football game, my ego isn't tied to it
Second , Sammy from you, I don't appreciate the condescending remarks. I pay you to be here. Just because you don't like my opinion doesn't give you the right. I'm certain I've watched a few more college football games than you have over the course of my life. I understand injuries and I understand what college football "was". It ain't that anymore. Once the playoff was introduced and players began to be paid that ship sailed .. maybe not for the lower tier conferences but certainly for the Power 4. And you can tell me all you want that these players who now show up to whatever school because they were paid more to do so care as much about these rivalry games as we the fans do you're naive. We as fans have emotion invested over lifetimes. We grew up with it. They didn't in most cases. In some for sure no doubt. The others just want to win no matter who they play.
I see this heading towards more like the NFL, 16 teams. Auto bids for 4 SEC , 4 Big Ten, 3 Big 12, 2 ACC and 3 at large bids, to take care of ND.. who should be forced to join a conference, and to add some interest perhaps for a JMU type of team. This was proposed by someone else earlier.
The NFL doesn't have a division championship game.. you win the division you're in.. others play the wild card. It could mean a team with a few losses gets in, so be it with 16 teams that's going to happen anywayI also never said Duke deserved to be in the playoff either. I don't think that ..
as far as regular season games , again no different than the NFL, teams sit player s once they have the division wrapped up or home field wrapped up. If they don't they play. That could have been the case for Purdue etc. you have injuries during the regular season or playoff that's life but at least everyone is on a level playing field. Several teams in the playoff didn't have to play that extra game ... that's not equitable .. to allow some teams the extra rest or prep and to share in the income that's an advantage to Oregon or Ole Miss etc
to make up for the lost revenue schedule a 13th game, or go to the 16 team playoff which gives them another weekend for the playoff which quite frankly then may push the conference championship games away anyway
Daly may not have gotten hurt in the game but got hurt celebrating after the game which wouldn't have happened if there was no game. So mute point
National Championship is the goal. If you asked Cig , or Saban or Day behind closed doors they'd tell you the same thing.
if the Bears don't beat the Packers but win the Super Bowl , Ben Johnson isn't getting fired.
Nor is Ryan Day with Michigan if he keeps winning National Championships... it would be nice to beat them and yeah that's a goal every year but I can live with those losses if I win a National Championship. If we never beat Purdue again but won National Titles every 3rd or so year like Alabama I can live with that. Odds are if we are that good that won't happen anyway.
You said you couldn't care less about the Big Ten title and that the National title is all that matters. If I offended you, I am sorry. I have watched plenty of football in my life and I will not get into a pissing match over who has watched more games. I get your point. It would have sucked if someone got hurt in the game. They didn't.
Your point was that it doesn't matter and only a national championship matters, but it does. You compared it to the NFL. This is not trying to be condescending, but college football is not the NFL. it may be turning into NFL Lite, but for 150 years that's what made this sport better than the NFL. I get your point with the NFL because all you have to look at is the 2007 Patriots. 18-1, lost the Super Bowl to the Giants and nobody really cares that they won 18 games. I get that.
It's a slippery slide that many sports have gone down. The whole #1 or bust. It is bad for the sport, because this is not a sport that should cater to casual fans (not saying you are a casual fan because clearly if you're paying to be here you're not). We can go back to Ohio State last year. They lost to Michigan and didn't win a Big Ten title yet made a run to the national championship. The meaning and impact of The Game took a major blow. This sport was built on rivalries like that and the importance of that game diminished because of it.
The system is very flawed, we agree on that, but it's not a zero sum sport and should not be.
I am glad your here and having this discussion. I don't take it personally. Maybe I can express my opinions in a nicer way, but that's my opinion on the whole thing. The sport is stuck between a rock and a hard place.
I could care less that ND didn't make it. Actually makes me snicker a little. They almost deserve due to their arrogance.
I could care less that ND didn't make it. Actually makes me snicker a little. They almost deserve due to their arrogance.
100% laughed at them getting left out, even if they were one of the teams that could have made a run. It was funny and then laughed even harder at the hissy fit they threw.
@hoosiers94 If you love the result why not let the rest of it go for a while.
The analysis shouldn't be solely objective. There's a shit-ton of emotion involved, as there should be. We needed to finally beat Ohio State. They've been an albatross around our neck for decades. We needed to win the conference championship outright for the first time in eighty effing years. Every IU football fan is on Cloud Nine right now and I'm loving every second of it. I'd still be feeling shitty if we had lost Saturday, despite the fact that we'd still be in the CFP.
We're the 1-seed as a result of beating the Suckeyes, we're headed to the "Granddaddy of Them All," and there's one big goal remaining. We control our own destiny. Win three more, baby, and we're there!
What if Mendoza had been injured and out for the season because of that game while Oregon sits at home and benefits from our loss. No one has addressed this point. I get the ratings and the money but it doesn't mean it makes sense ... I for one could care less about winning the conference championship game. The national title is all that matters.
On Saturday night, you didn't celebrate? Cry? Scream?
I don't really care to live in a world where only a national title matters.
Bingo.
College football has never, ever been only about the national title. It's a hyper regional sport that is about rivalries, conference titles and beating teams you've played for 100+ years. Losing in the Playoff takes nothing away from what IU has done this year, nothing.
Quite frankly @hoosiers94 the culture shift to it's natty or bust is terrible for the sport and sports in general. IU won something it hadn't won since 1968 and beat Ohio State for the first time since 1988, if you can't cheer or care about that, maybe this is not the sport for you.
First of all, I never said I didn't enjoy Saturday's victory. Or that I wasn't proud of our team. Never ... my OP was that the conference championship games are unnecessary. I didn't cry though, Jesus it's just a football game, my ego isn't tied to it
Second , Sammy from you, I don't appreciate the condescending remarks. I pay you to be here. Just because you don't like my opinion doesn't give you the right. I'm certain I've watched a few more college football games than you have over the course of my life. I understand injuries and I understand what college football "was". It ain't that anymore. Once the playoff was introduced and players began to be paid that ship sailed .. maybe not for the lower tier conferences but certainly for the Power 4. And you can tell me all you want that these players who now show up to whatever school because they were paid more to do so care as much about these rivalry games as we the fans do you're naive. We as fans have emotion invested over lifetimes. We grew up with it. They didn't in most cases. In some for sure no doubt. The others just want to win no matter who they play.
I see this heading towards more like the NFL, 16 teams. Auto bids for 4 SEC , 4 Big Ten, 3 Big 12, 2 ACC and 3 at large bids, to take care of ND.. who should be forced to join a conference, and to add some interest perhaps for a JMU type of team. This was proposed by someone else earlier.
The NFL doesn't have a division championship game.. you win the division you're in.. others play the wild card. It could mean a team with a few losses gets in, so be it with 16 teams that's going to happen anywayI also never said Duke deserved to be in the playoff either. I don't think that ..
as far as regular season games , again no different than the NFL, teams sit player s once they have the division wrapped up or home field wrapped up. If they don't they play. That could have been the case for Purdue etc. you have injuries during the regular season or playoff that's life but at least everyone is on a level playing field. Several teams in the playoff didn't have to play that extra game ... that's not equitable .. to allow some teams the extra rest or prep and to share in the income that's an advantage to Oregon or Ole Miss etc
to make up for the lost revenue schedule a 13th game, or go to the 16 team playoff which gives them another weekend for the playoff which quite frankly then may push the conference championship games away anyway
Daly may not have gotten hurt in the game but got hurt celebrating after the game which wouldn't have happened if there was no game. So mute point
National Championship is the goal. If you asked Cig , or Saban or Day behind closed doors they'd tell you the same thing.
if the Bears don't beat the Packers but win the Super Bowl , Ben Johnson isn't getting fired.
Nor is Ryan Day with Michigan if he keeps winning National Championships... it would be nice to beat them and yeah that's a goal every year but I can live with those losses if I win a National Championship. If we never beat Purdue again but won National Titles every 3rd or so year like Alabama I can live with that. Odds are if we are that good that won't happen anyway.
You said you couldn't care less about the Big Ten title and that the National title is all that matters. If I offended you, I am sorry. I have watched plenty of football in my life and I will not get into a pissing match over who has watched more games. I get your point. It would have sucked if someone got hurt in the game. They didn't.
Your point was that it doesn't matter and only a national championship matters, but it does. You compared it to the NFL. This is not trying to be condescending, but college football is not the NFL. it may be turning into NFL Lite, but for 150 years that's what made this sport better than the NFL. I get your point with the NFL because all you have to look at is the 2007 Patriots. 18-1, lost the Super Bowl to the Giants and nobody really cares that they won 18 games. I get that.
It's a slippery slide that many sports have gone down. The whole #1 or bust. It is bad for the sport, because this is not a sport that should cater to casual fans (not saying you are a casual fan because clearly if you're paying to be here you're not). We can go back to Ohio State last year. They lost to Michigan and didn't win a Big Ten title yet made a run to the national championship. The meaning and impact of The Game took a major blow. This sport was built on rivalries like that and the importance of that game diminished because of it.
The system is very flawed, we agree on that, but it's not a zero sum sport and should not be.
I am glad your here and having this discussion. I don't take it personally. Maybe I can express my opinions in a nicer way, but that's my opinion on the whole thing. The sport is stuck between a rock and a hard place.
I see a super conference coming after 2031 when Clemson and Florida St can get out of the ACC. Maybe it's somewhat regional. Maybe they don't call it a conference. Maybe it's a league , they will break away from the NCAA and form their own league etc. it likely will be for football only. The big ten and sec will be the "survivors" of sorts and swallow up the ACC and Big 12. That's how the money is flowing hard to Stop it. None of us may like it but it is what it is. The thing that made college football what it was , was the alumni and the sentimental impact it had ... but I'd argue there are more fans that don't have degrees from these power 4 schools than there are with said degrees which means it's less nostalgic to them and more about the thrill of the game and the playoff , similar to the NFL. No one went to the University of Chicago Bears or Buffalo Bills College.
yeah this game is history. It won't ever be erased. Very happy for the team , this wasn't a dig at our accomplishments. It's looking forward to the future. We did it. It counts it can't be taken away.
yes if no game we would possibly have been the #2 seed. Depends on what they set up the tie breaker to be if there was no championship game played. Not what's in place now but what hypothetically they would use
Meh. I'm the same age, same history. I'm ecstatic over the Big Ten champ thing, and that won't be diminished if we don't win it all. In fact, if OSU or Oregon wins it all, it'll make it that much better.I don't know how old you are... I'm 54. I've followed my whole life ... to say we were big Ten champs and then look over my shoulder to see OSU or Michigan or Purdue holding a National Championship trophy kind of sours the latter. It's the ultimate. It's the Super Bowl the rest is like kissing your sister
88-89 was a special IU basketball season even if Michigan won the national title. Much better than 87-88, I can tell you.
If you've spent the last 40+ years pining for an IU natty in football, I'd think there's a good chance you've been committed to a mental institution at some point. 
FIFY.I could care less that ND didn't make it. Actually makes me snicker a little. They almost deserve due to their arrogance.
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